measure the pH - a comparison of the various mehtods

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rincon

Joined Aug 15, 2018
6
hello dear Community,


first of all i hope that you are well and everything goes all right at your hometown. I hope that your town is dealing well with the pandemic-situation.

i have mused alot about the methods of the measure of pH - a comparison of the various mehtods:
we can measure the pH of a substance several ways.

A pH meter is one of the most common methods, and pH paper (also known as litmus paper or pH strips) is also a quick and dirty way. Other methods include titration, but it is tedious and requires detailed hands-on work.

what about a comparison of pH detection methods.

we have the pH Meter with the glass pH electrode. A pH meter has a membrane that allows acidic ions (H+) to pass through it creating a voltage. The meter associates each voltage with a particular pH value.

How it works: The higher the concentration of acid is, the more interesting are the results - the more ions that will pass through the membrane, thereby changing the value of the voltage.

This voltage change results in a higher pH value.

on the other handside: The Litmus Paper - It doesn't pass the litmus test - is a common phrase that has its origin in the use of litmus paper for pH detection. So far so good.

How it works: the so called strips of paper - they have so called littel (we ought to say very little) pH indicator molecules that subsequently change color upon contact with solution of a particular pH.

And this is the interesting point: Each color is indicative of a particular pH value. We can compare the paper to a standard chart where the colors show different pH values.

BTW; i have mused about the pH-Measurement with Atlas-pH sensors that are combined with ESP 32 or Arduino or RaspBerry-Pi. And i have also mused about the usage of DFRoot Sensor.

The bad thing is that all of these sensors need a permanend calibration - this is awful.
Question Can i go round this calibration - if i am going to use Litmus Paper that is checked and indicated with a opto-electronical process.

In other words -i take tha Litmus (pH) paper and let the opto-electronic stage generate a value - a certain voltage.- With that i will set a display that shows the current value of pH of my actual probe

How do you like this idea. Can this be done?
 

drjohsmith

Joined Dec 13, 2021
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How accurate is the Litmus paper
How accurate is the Ph meter without calibration ?

I'm wondering is the Ph meter without calibration as good as litmus paper ?
 

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rincon

Joined Aug 15, 2018
6
hello and good day dear drjohsmith,

first of all: many many thanks for the reply. Well i guess youre right. I think therefore i have to use

a. dfrobot - Sensor
b. Atlas-EZO-Sensor


the bad thing is that all of these sensors need a permanend calibration -

update: But in the meantime - there is also another method with Fibre: see PreSensePreSense https://www.presens.de/products/detail/ph-sensor-spots-sp-hp5

vom pH wert https://www.presens.de/knowledge/basics/detail/measurement-principle-of-chemical-optical-sensors-901

and what bout this approach; working wiht LIGHT SENSORS - SPECTRAL SENSING AS7264N
AS7264N Consumer Grade Smart XYZ + Bio-Blue + NIR Sensor

XYZ Color Point/CCT identification plus 440/490nm blue sensing

see https://ams.com/as7264n


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Integrated 16 bit ADC on chip and low power consumption
2 integrated LED drivers
I²C slave digital interface with optional interrupt operation
Benefits
Stable filter conditions over temperature and life time
Human eye like color, light, good+bad blue and proximity detection
Signal conditioning on chip
Sample illumination without external LED driver
Direct register read and write with interrupt on sensor ready
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Sensor Type 6 channel visible + NIR
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I/O I²C
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hmm - i guess that i have to muse bout this. Do you tink that i can use it to measure the ph via going the way over working

a. with the litmus paper comes on continuous rolls?
b. then have a closer measure with the IR sensor!?


well - that looks interesting -
courtesy: see https://ams.com/as7264n
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courtesy: see https://ams.com/as7264n
 

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jeffl_2

Joined Sep 17, 2013
67
I'm not sure this is a topic I have a lot to say about personally, but I did find a couple of links that I consider worth taking a look at:
https://www.66pacific.com/ph/simplest-ph.aspx
https://damien.douxchamps.net/elec/ph_meter/
I guess neither one of them is "completely devoid of calibration" but isn't it more about how frequently it's necessary to redo that calibration? Again I don't know quite what the issue is so I'll refrain from trying to take this further.
 
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