Making SPST switch into SPDT with PNP transistor

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mattbrailsford

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Hey All,

I need to make a SPST momentary switch act like a SPDT switch so thought I could use a PNP transistor for the job. I'm just struggling to understand from my research the correct setup.

I've mocked up a circuit in the falstad circuit editor (link here) which seems to work:



The load I'll be using is different but I've just added an LED + Resistor as POC. The thing I'm unsure of though is if I should need any additional resistors or something around the PNP? All the examples I see have a resistor on the base pin, but I'm not sure if this tends to be more for microcontroller use? I'll be using a physical switch.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Cheers

Matt
 

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blocco a spirale

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Your PNP transistor appears to be an n-channel FET. If you draw your schematic in a conventional orientation it will be a lot easier to follow and yes, in most cases, transistors require base resistors.
 

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mattbrailsford

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Sorry, my bad, I did mean a p-channel MOSFET rather than a PNP transistor, which is actually what is used in the circuit diagram. Sorry it's not the best diagram, I'm just not that good at doing them. Hopefully it'll come with experience, but I've tried to make it as simple as I could.

Matt

PS I tried to edit my main post to change PNP to p-channel MOSFET but can't seem to see how you edit them?
 

dl324

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I need to make a SPST momentary switch act like a SPDT switch so thought I could use a PNP transistor for the job. I'm just struggling to understand from my research the correct setup.
First off, as has already been mentioned, your schematic is difficult to follow.

Secondly, it can't be working because you have no latch element; so as soon as the momentary switch is released, circuit reverts to the previous state.

What kind of a load are you planning to switch?
 

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mattbrailsford

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First off, as has already been mentioned, your schematic is difficult to follow.
Sorry, I don't know any other way.

Secondly, it can't be working because you have no latch element; so as soon as the momentary switch is released, circuit reverts to the previous state.
That's the behavior I want, I've only used a latching switch in the falstad demo so I can explicitly watch both states. In reality, the circuit will on enable when a momentary switch is heald down, on release, I want it to go back to original state.

What kind of a load are you planning to switch?
This circuit is part of a bigger one, where in normal "released" mode, the power runs two elements, an LED and sends voltage through a 200k potentiality to be measured by an IC. When pressed, the current goes through a different LED, and also through a fixed 100k resistor to the same pin as the pot on the IC for measuring. Ultimately, when open, a green LED should be on, and the IC reads a variable resistance from the pot, and when closed, a red LED should be on, and the IC reads a fixed resistance from the 100k resistor. This is all on 3v.

Hope that helps.

Matt
 

dl324

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Sorry, I don't know any other way.
Flow should be right-to-left and top-to-bottom as much as possible. Components should be drawn upright, unless doing otherwise makes sense.

EDIT: Of course I meant left-to-right, not right-to-left...
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That's the behavior I want, I've only used a latching switch in the falstad demo so I can explicitly watch both states. In reality, the circuit will on enable when a momentary switch is heald down, on release, I want it to go back to original state.
In your original post you said
I need to make a SPST momentary switch act like a SPDT switch
An SPDT switch has 2 positions.
 
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Alec_t

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With the post #9 circuit, when the switch is open LED 2 will be on. Is that what you want?
 

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mattbrailsford

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Flow should be right-to-left and top-to-bottom as much as possible. Components should be drawn upright, unless doing otherwise makes sense.
Ahh, thanks for the pointer. Much appreciated.

An SPDT switch has 2 positions.
I must be missing something. A SPDT switch has 2 positions right? NO and NC? So I'm trying to replicate it using the mosfet. When the switch is released, one circuit completes, and when the switch is pressed, the original one cuts, and the other one completes, as if one was wired to the NO position and the other wired to the NC position.

Ohhh, sorry, it's because I didn't say "SPDT momentrary switch" isn't it? My bad. I don't need latching, I just need to perform two tasks, one while released (open), and one wile pressed (closed).
 
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mattbrailsford

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With the post #9 circuit, when the switch is open LED 2 will be on. Is that what you want?
Yes, and when switch is closed, LED 2 is off, and LED 1 is on.

I'm just not sure if it requires any pull up / down resistors anywhere? or one on the gate pin as I've seen in some schematics.
 

dl324

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With the post #9 circuit, when the switch is open LED 2 will be on. Is that what you want?
Unless I made a transcription error, that's what the OP drew in his first post. I was just giving an example of how schematics are usually drawn.
 

dl324

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I must be missing something. A SPDT switch has 2 positions right? NO and NC?
A "momentary" or "push button" switch has contacts labeled normally opened and normally closed; but might not have both.

SPST would be ON or OFF.
SPDT would be ON-ON.
SPDT with center off would be ON-OFF-ON.

A momentary SPST would be (mom) or OFF.
 
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mattbrailsford

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A "momentary" or "push button" switch has contacts labeled normally open and normally closed.

SPST would be ON or OFF.
SPDT would be ON-ON.
SPDT with center off would be ON-OFF-ON.

A momentary SPST would be (mom) or OFF.
Ahh, thanks for clarifying.

If we ignore my misunderstanding of SPDT / SPDT then, does my explanation of what I'm after clarify what I'm aiming to achieve though? (I think it's probably much simpler than I'm explaining)
 
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dl324

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Focus on how you want to connect what you want to measure to whatever is measuring it.
 

AnalogKid

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The circuit in post #1 and clarified in post #9 will do what you have described. However, I would add a resistor from the Q1 gate to GND. You are relying on a trickle of current to through LED1 to turn off Q1. 10 K from Q1 gate to GND will give more stable performance.

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