Is this the first real Catastrophe caused by AI (lowercase: ai) ?

AnalogKid

Joined Aug 1, 2013
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Maybe you would want to do some reading
Ohio has 200 data centers, with over 100 clustered around Columbus. At least 30 more are planned or have already started construction. The easy crisis is power. The hard one is water.

Compared to these, storage is a dinky little supply-chain blip.

ak
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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AND who is willing to actually describe any benefit delivered by all of these data centers??? Aside from profits for the owners, and share holders (SHAREOWNERS)
WHAt actual good do they deliver?? REALLY? Is anybody willing to provide a description of the actual benefit? In other than meaningless generalities??
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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AND who is willing to actually describe any benefit delivered by all of these data centers??? Aside from profits for the owners, and share holders (SHAREOWNERS)
WHAt actual good do they deliver?? REALLY? Is anybody willing to provide a description of the actual benefit? In other than meaningless generalities??
Just where to you think that AAC is actually hosted?

Where do you think all of the streaming content that people use, be it YouTube or Netflix or Amazon Prime or whatever, is served from?

Where do you think that the servers you use when you search for anything online using Google or Bing or Duck-Duck-Go are located?

Where do you think that DigiKey's databases are served from?

When you use a navigation app to choose a route, especially if it takes into account real-time traffic and weather conditions, where do you think that is being served from?

Where do you think that systems like FlightAware get their data from?
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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AND who is willing to actually describe any benefit delivered by all of these data centers??? Aside from profits for the owners, and share holders (SHAREOWNERS)
WHAt actual good do they deliver?? REALLY? Is anybody willing to provide a description of the actual benefit? In other than meaningless generalities??
Generic data centers are needed and provide great value as the provide general compute power for a just about anything using scale of economy, security and availability. The AI 'data centers' are very specialized, much like Crypts mining operations, very power dense, have a small surface of operational capability and currently mostly operate with a massive negative cash flow.

https://www.rcrwireless.com/20250327/fundamentals/ai-data-center-difference
Traditional data centers: These are designed to support a wide range of computing needs, including web hosting, enterprise applications, databases and cloud services. These data centers handle diverse workloads that may not require intensive processing power.

AI data centers: Built specifically for AI and machine learning (ML) applications, these facilities are optimized for processing large volumes of data, running deep learning models and supporting AI-driven tasks like natural language processing and image recognition, among others
 

Jon Chandler

Joined Jun 12, 2008
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AND who is willing to actually describe any benefit delivered by all of these data centers???
I find Perplexity AI extremely useful as a search tool to provide quick summaries of search items. For example "what registers are used to set up the ADC on a PIC18F....." This yields a summary of ALL the registers used without flipping back and forth between several sections in a datasheet and missing footnotes about some special non-obvious register bit that must be set.

Or "Compare chip xxx to chip yyy". Up pops a description with links to each detail.

Below is a simple example – "What are the I2C address settings for MCP23017"

Yes, I could download a 30 page datasheet and thumb through the pages to find the info, but this gets a clear summary in seconds.

I admit sometimes it's a bit disturbing. It remembers things. "For your applications with Laser GRBL and Annex32 Basic, a good choice would be....."

Screenshot_20260307_145502_Perplexity.jpg

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MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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The most profitable use of AI datacenters will be for generating pornography.
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Hi,

Yeah that's weird, isn't it?
Simulated porn 'bots' that do all sorts of unusual things.

Where the heck are we headed as a civilization. Oh, I got it now, we were created as a comedy show for high intelligence extraterrestrial aliens :)
I bet they are getting a big laugh out of all of this.
 

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MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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Ohio has 200 data centers, with over 100 clustered around Columbus. At least 30 more are planned or have already started construction. The easy crisis is power. The hard one is water.

Compared to these, storage is a dinky little supply-chain blip.

ak
Hi,

For THEM maybe so, but for US we have to pay a lot more for storage now. I know many here will not feel the bang too much but for me it is a real reality.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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Just where to you think that AAC is actually hosted?

Where do you think all of the streaming content that people use, be it YouTube or Netflix or Amazon Prime or whatever, is served from?

Where do you think that the servers you use when you search for anything online using Google or Bing or Duck-Duck-Go are located?

Where do you think that DigiKey's databases are served from?

When you use a navigation app to choose a route, especially if it takes into account real-time traffic and weather conditions, where do you think that is being served from?

Where do you think that systems like FlightAware get their data from?
OK, here youhave presented a big bunch of glittering generalities!
The fact is that there is already plenty of data centers to take care of that stuff that actually is beneficial. The fact is that we got along very well without any of them! And we can get along quite well without any more of them. In fact, we would probably be better off emotionally and physically if all at once all of them disappeared. CERTAINLY things would be a bit different. And probably better.
The proliferwation of instant data and instant communication has been a big change, no question about that! BUT, ALSO, at best, only half of all changes are for the better. So cutting off the feed of one addiction source would lead to a recovery. Instant internet everything is ceertainly feeding a serious addiction, that is certain.
I cann already hear the screams of complaint about how stopping the proliferation would be so terrible. A junkie cut off from the pusher always comlains.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
33,063
OK, here youhave presented a big bunch of glittering generalities!
The fact is that there is already plenty of data centers to take care of that stuff that actually is beneficial. The fact is that we got along very well without any of them! And we can get along quite well without any more of them. In fact, we would probably be better off emotionally and physically if all at once all of them disappeared. CERTAINLY things would be a bit different. And probably better.
The proliferwation of instant data and instant communication has been a big change, no question about that! BUT, ALSO, at best, only half of all changes are for the better. So cutting off the feed of one addiction source would lead to a recovery. Instant internet everything is ceertainly feeding a serious addiction, that is certain.
I cann already hear the screams of complaint about how stopping the proliferation would be so terrible. A junkie cut off from the pusher always comlains.
Well, we got along very well without refrigeration, without vaccines, without cars, without printing presses, without steel. So let's get rid of everything and we will be so much better off emotionally and physically if it all just disappears.
 

Ya’akov

Joined Jan 27, 2019
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Luddites weren't technophobes. They were displaced artisans. The better analog for modern luddites are the graphic artists and musicians who hate generative AI.

Many people today who despise newer technology do it for a reason: it has often made everyday things incomprehensible. (This is not true for everyone in this class, but I am willing to say it is the majority)

When my university was transitioning to VoIP phones, part of my responsibility was to develop a strategy to smooth the transition from PSTN phones. Thinking about this made me realize that "technology" is almost always a problem for the average person.

The reason the PSTN phone wasn't a problem is because it had long ago stopped being "technology" and become—a phone. That same thing needed to happen with the VoIP phones.

It is a strong confirmation to watch the films produced by Bell concerning the transition from operator assisted calling to direct dialing. The same problems needed to be bridged. That whole historical process it fascinating on its own.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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Well, we got along very well without refrigeration, without vaccines, without cars, without printing presses, without steel. So let's get rid of everything and we will be so much better off emotionally and physically if it all just disappears.
NO!! THAT is a false assertion!! AND you are totally aware of the falsity!!
Glittering Generality and False Comparisons are classic propoganda tools, hiding blatant lies ! !
 

BobTPH

Joined Jun 5, 2013
11,609
Morning Bob,
That's Me, No Apps just a simple mobile phone.
I don't want to be a part of the Borg Collective.;)
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I certainly would not pay $1000, and $30 a month for something that I only used as a phone. Hopefully you have an old flip phone.
 

BobTPH

Joined Jun 5, 2013
11,609
Hi Bob.
Mine is only £7.50GB /Month and has all the usual memory storage.
No initial sign up costs.
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Yeah, here in the US we pay way more than anyone else for cellular service.

The $1000 I referred to is the price for a higher end iPhone. And $30 includes unlimited data.
 
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