I don't have the answer and I'd like to hear yours.

I haven't studied archaeology at all but your question has to be a very relevant one. ALL data collection, in every field, is subject to various biases. In philosophy it's referred to as the "theory laden-ness of observations". We pursue data in places we have a good reason to look, or where data is easily found. In archaeology, the "fossil record" simply isn't a record for our entire history. It just doesn't exist. We find bits and fragments of the story, and we concentrate our searches in areas where we've learned that fossil-forming conditions existed, meaning there may be something more for us to find.

 

meaning there may be something more for us to find.

And sometimes what's not there can be as revealing as what is....

 

This question came up in my mind when reading some of the articles posted by @tcmtech .

The problem is, they are working to the same end game. The story of us. Who are we.

The inverted family tree could go anywhere.

I find it interesting that the origin of Y-zero on the west coast of Africa was called Adam. Where the hell is the X-zero or Eve or were women plentiful?

 

Hello there,

Science has an answer for all of this mystery, but i dont think every scientist realizes it yet.

If we look at what has been found and thought about over the last maybe 100 years, we find quantum physics and the idea that even in this one universe there could be beings that are far more intelligent than we are and may have achieved higher levels of control than we have as defined by Dr, Kaku.
Higher levels of control include the ability to form new planets for example, and the civilization would he classified as to what level they have achieved so far.

What this tells us is that alien beings or perhaps just one alien being could be, in our limited view, viewed as God. That makes God a real entity that is not as mysterious as we think, although we still dont know everything because we have not attained the level of control that we would need to have in order to be God's ourselves.

Note that most scientists believe that advanced civilizations could very well be much more intelligent than us, so they must believe in God in the form of either that entire civilization for perhaps just one member. We also have to keep in mind that there could be a civilization in another universe that has learned how to create other universes.

So to me it seems that everyone must believe in God, even if it's not exactly the way they were told as they were being brought up. The different branches of religion we find show that nobody knows the right answer there so most likely these branches were their way of handling the thought of some kind of God that created everything.

Also, i find that most people have no way to handle the thought of something that existed for all time, and i dont necessarily mean a God. That's because everything we have seen in common experience has led us to believe that everything has a start and end, and we have little experience with something that could have simply "always been". Remember we have limited ideas about what time really is in our present realm of knowledge, so it's not really possible to say for sure that there could be no such thing as something that has existed for all time and may never stop existing. We cant even be sure if there are more dimensions.

 

The problem is, they are working to the same end game. The story of us. Who are we.

The inverted family tree could go anywhere.

I find it interesting that the origin of Y-zero on the west coast of Africa was called Adam. Where the hell is the X-zero or Eve or were women plentiful?

There was just Adam and Eve. on just one continent.
But our family tree begins with Noah (PBUH).
Noah's family tree begins with Adam (PBUH).

@MrAl A human or any creature can never be a God.
If there is more than one god, they will fight among them.
So there is just one God.

 

I think concept of time is very limiting. I already mentioned that I am quite in favor of theories that try to eliminate it. In nature time is not necessary, nature is cyclical. I myself do not feel that time is relevant, but that is very different from most people... this is probably due to a major life crisis that I had to go through early in life. Things like that change your perspective. Sometimes I feel a bit like Billy Pilgrim lol

 

Time is a creature of the Creator.
Time exists in this universe of ours.

 

Time, as we know it, is irrelevant and man-made.

Man had to count before time was "designed".

Man, by political decision, defines the second.

Man, devised the scales, UT, UT1, UT2, UTC.

Man, decides when to insert a leap second.

Man does not have a man to God time converter. Man has not received the God to man converter.

 

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is why all very early societies seem to have a version of the same thing, in their creation myths. No mater what continent they lived on. The same with the great flood. It always is the same basic story, names and places change but not the underlying story. And most of the "gods" are shown with wings.

 

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is why all very early societies seem to have a version of the same thing, in their creation myths. No mater what continent they lived on. The same with the great flood. It always is the same basic story, names and places change but not the underlying story. And most of the "gods" are shown with wings.

I tried to bring that forward in an earlier post, maybe I wasn't very clear but I've always held that contention. Read "Footprints of the Gods"

http://www.megpugh.com/files/Graham_Hancock_FINGERPRINTS_OF_THE_GODS.pdf

Long read but, gave me a few interesting thoughts.

kv

 

Hi,

Well if there was a very very early creator of some kind (God or an alien civilization which we could still interpret to be God) then the story would have started there, and being passed down by word of mouth could have changed over time from tribe to tribe.

I dont think there is a question of if we have time or not, i think it is a question of what time really is, and if anyone or any thing has more control over it than we do. If there is a higher being of some type or more advanced civiliation that created this universe, they may have control over our time. For us the time between 1:00:00 and 1:00:01 is one second, but for them it could be much faster or much slower, or they may be able to stop it at 1:00:00 and examine the outcome, then start up again when they feel like it.
An idea like this was actually proposed by at least one physicist who has a theory that everything in our universe could be just a physical "image" generated by an advanced civilizations computer. Every particle is generated as we see pixels on our computer monitors.

There are also the ancient aliens theorists. That's interesting but like every group they fall into the trap of skipping details in order to show their point is true. That makes people tend to turn away because they see right away that the facts do not lead up to their conclusions all the time. A little too complex to talk about here though maybe.

The fact is, we have limited view of what "everything" really is, and so we can only come up with so many answers. The rest is just guesswork. Religion allows everyone to participate at least to some extent without having complete knowledge. I believe science can and is bridging the gap though, but it will take time for everyone to see it. I guess we can call this the "Science/God Gap Bridge".

 

Whats interesting to me is the Egyptians may have had some knowledge about the brain.

Cerebral Cortex (Consciousness and Memory)

kv

 

There are also the ancient aliens theorists. That's interesting but like every group they fall into the trap of skipping details in order to show their point is true. That makes people tend to turn away because they see right away that the facts do not lead up to their conclusions all the time. A little too complex to talk about here though maybe.

It's not just a religion based issue any more.

Thanks to the vast amount of unfiltered uncontrollable information and capacity to mass communicate anything in seconds to millions of people worldwide the internet, plus all of our modern technology that attached to it, has given the capacity anyone with any degree of basic sense and computer search skills to literally fact check any story or event is something to see if a source is being factually honest or trying to skew the information to suit a particular motive.

Every day it becomes harder and harder to for anyone to be online and hide behind any form of lies, false narratives or wrongful claims at any level on any topic and not be called out on it within seconds of having made it public.

The last elections and following fallout has proven that in spades by just how badly democrats and liberals in general devastated themselves and what they claim to stand for due to such mass communications. Foundations they stood on for decades or even longer got blown out from under them by their own actions while the world watched and now even mainstream religions are getting hit by and for the same actions.
Those who claimed to be our friends and cultural leaders with only good intentions in mind (many hollywood elites for example) are being shown that they are in fact not any f that while certain others they have made claim to be our enemies are being shown to be anything but.

Same with certain cultures and groups as a whole. Their dirty laundry and overall less than honorable goals and intents are being made public to no end making sure they have no place to hide while the whole world gets to watch and truly see them for every stinking shameful hypocritical action they make!

The Genie is out of the bottle, Pandora's box has had it lid blown clean off and oddly enough the monsters that got loose are hell bent on making everyone shape up play fair and honest or suffer the wrath of the world for once!

 

And again, I have yet to see someone here being impressed at the unbelievable precision that the Gravitational constant, and the strong and weak atomic forces show. Last I checked, one misplaced number up to 270 decimals away from the decimal point, and the entire universe would've not been able to exist

I didn't see this claim in the article -- where was it?

I have a real hard time buying that we could even know such a thing. If you counted up all the atoms in the known universe, then the number would only have about 80 digits. If every atom in the known universe was, in fact, another universe of the same size as ours, then the number of micro atoms in all of the atom-sized universes combined would only have 160 digits. If you repeated that yet again you would only have 240 digits. If the lifetime of one of these triple-tiered multiuniverses was a billionth of a second and they were created one after another and this had been going on for the entire age of our universe, then the sum of all the micro-micro atoms in all of these would finally be getting to a 270 digit number.

 

Whats interesting to me is the Egyptians may have had some knowledge about the brain.

Or it could be something we see just because we have good imaginations. Just like the Man on the Moon or the Face on Mars.

 

I didn't see this claim in the article -- where was it?

I have a real hard time buying that we could even know such a thing. If you counted up all the atoms in the known universe, then the number would only have about 80 digits. If every atom in the known universe was, in fact, another universe of the same size as ours, then the number of micro atoms in all of the atom-sized universes combined would only have 160 digits. If you repeated that yet again you would only have 240 digits. If the lifetime of one of these triple-tiered multiuniverses was a billionth of a second and they were created one after another and this had been going on for the entire age of our universe, then the sum of all the micro-micro atoms in all of these would finally be getting to a 270 digit number.

A valid request. I read that years ago in a science article, but I can't seem to find it. Let me do some more searching and I'll be back with a source.

 

Or it could be something we see just because we have good imaginations. Just like the Man on the Moon or the Face on Mars.

In other words, we like to antropomorph things...

 

In other words, we like to antropomorph things...

While that's very true, it's far beyond that. Humans (indeed, most animals) are extremely good at pattern recognition. But, particularly when you combine it with intelligence, curiosity, and a burning desire to "understand" things, it means we find all kinds of patterns in all kinds of things that are purely figments of our imagination. Star constellations being one example. Many people would argue that any religion is another. We also have a very hard time distinguishing between correlation and causation. We sense a pattern between two things and we naturally want to explain it as anything other than random, usually by insisting that one must cause the other.

 

We sense a pattern between two things and we naturally want to explain it as anything other than random, usually by insisting that one must cause the other.

It could work both ways, I think. There are natural patterns that also appeal to our human interpretation, such as the Fibonacci series... it makes me wonder if we're born primed to such things.

 

It could work both ways, I think. There are natural patterns that also appeal to our human interpretation, such as the Fibonacci series... it makes me wonder if we're born primed to such things.

It's certainly reasonable to ponder whether linkages occur. In most cases where the Fibonacci series appears in nature, we have figured out why it does so, or at least seen that it arises naturally out of a more natural phenomena, such as close packing of florets in a some flowers. There's also many popular claims of Fibonacci sequences in nature that aren't really the case -- another example of humans finding patterns because we like finding patterns.