Well, there was a famous angel who questioned the creator... but if you want, watch the movie, you may or may not like it. It was shot in Berlin in 1987, interesting time...

I may watch it. But it's like you said, a movie based on a human's thought. It ain't the truth.

I grew up in the religion and have read their books, but they believed they were spirit children prior in the pre-existence with God the Father. They also believe Joseph Smith saying that God lives on a Planet called Kolob which might not even be in this Universe. They also believe in a saying that goes like this " As God is, Man will become and as Man is, God once was"

kv

Edit: They also believe they chose the destiny of their lives and bodies.

That is a religion I have never heard of.
Is it like Christianity ?

 

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I find it rather strange that, if this was the case, that it seemed to be humans in what we now call Europe we made all the so-called advances in science,medicine and other things we now take for granted(not forgetting the advances made in the middle east or far east).
Why, if humans came out of Africa, did they not develop much further along the road to development but seemed to stagnate in tribal cultures. See also the Australian aborigines,supposed to have lived there for about 40000 years but made real advances in tech, etc.
Then we have the issue of the Nethandrals,(sp), they apparently had a reasonably progressive culture but were overtaken by homo sapiens.
Is there a possibility that there was external interference favouring the rise of homo sapiens in europe. I guess we will never know until those "aliens" come back to check on progress. Makes for some interesting SCI-FI tales.

Wherever I look it seems that people in the cooler climates think of those in the warmer areas of the same country as being lazy. It might be it is more difficult to survive cool weather than warm weather. Access to food in places where is snows comes to mind. This would then create cultural differences between, say Northern China and Southern China, the increased ability of those whose tribes were more industrious may have also resulted in genetic changes in cooler climates that encoded tendency toward this kind behavior.

 

The idea of earth being "seeded" by aliens has also given me some pause for thought,although again I can offer no proof.Something that has interested me also is the theory of humans originating "out of Africa" and populating the earth.
I find it rather strange that, if this was the case, that it seemed to be humans in what we now call Europe we made all the so-called advances in science,medicine and other things we now take for granted(not forgetting the advances made in the middle east or far east).
Why, if humans came out of Africa, did they not develop much further along the road to development but seemed to stagnate in tribal cultures. See also the Australian aborigines,supposed to have lived there for about 40000 years but made real advances in tech, etc.
Then we have the issue of the Nethandrals,(sp), they apparently had a reasonably progressive culture but were overtaken by homo sapiens.
Is there a possibility that there was external interference favouring the rise of homo sapiens in europe. I guess we will never know until those "aliens" come back to check on progress. Makes for some interesting SCI-FI tales.

I've always had the wild idea that we(Earth) were nothing more than an ant colony experiment perpetrated
by some advanced ETs just to watch how we behave. Every so often the come around( think UFOs) just to take
a look to see how we are doing. Maybe they will tweak here and there to see how we respond. And maybe,
after they tire of us, they will toss us into the cosmic trash can.

Another off the wall idea concerns USOs (under sea objects, ???). The idea that ET commutes from planet to planet sorta defies the known laws of physics. Speed of light etc.
But what if they came here thousands of years ago, and never left. Being highly advanced, they could set up
bases in the very deep ocean and come and go at will. We have explored less than 10% of the oceans so the chance of finding them are virtually nil.
And they could easily tinker with their ant colony.

Of course there is no proof of any of this. Just some thoughts from a muddled mind.

 

I've always had the wild idea that we(Earth) were nothing more than an ant colony experiment perpetrated
by some advanced ETs just to watch how we behave. Every so often the come around( think UFOs) just to take
a look to see how we are doing. Maybe they will tweak here and there to see how we respond. And maybe,
after they tire of us, they will toss us into the cosmic trash can.

Another off the wall idea concerns USOs (under sea objects, ???). The idea that ET commutes from planet to planet sorta defies the known laws of physics. Speed of light etc.
But what if they came here thousands of years ago, and never left. Being highly advanced, they could set up
bases in the very deep ocean and come and go at will. We have explored less than 10% of the oceans so the chance of finding them are virtually nil.
And they could easily tinker with their ant colony.

Of course there is no proof of any of this. Just some thoughts from a muddled mind.

Refer to post #323 it's very close to your thoughts.

kv

 

DickCappels, your reasoning would be logical except for the fact that particularly in a place like Australia which is isolated and has a huge variation in climate north to south there is still no apparent shift towards the technologies that appeared in places like europe.
Climates vary from highly tropical in the north to freezing cold with snow in the south(Tasmania and Victoria etc) yet there was no apparent effect on the living standards of the inhabitants.They were still very basically tribal hunter-gatherers with minimal technology(bows etc).
When you look at the Maoris of New Zealand(who came from polynesia in their canoes) they developed a very much more sophisticated culture in comparision. The question in my mind is why did natives in North America,South America or Asia not seem to have the same speed of technical progression that appeared to happen in europe ?

 

it's why Indians will allow a senior member of the tribe to dis-imbark without provisions to succumb the elements.

It wasn't just back then, it's happening now. I recently had my mother in law pass away under hospice care. Never experienced any one under hospice before and was shocked and stunned by it. Basically they stopped feeding her and kept her pumped full of morphine. She was in a coma and starved to death. She didn't seem to be in pain though.

 

Progbuxton, Jared Diamond throws some light on your question "Guns, Germs, And Steel, Vintage Random House 1998. ISBN 0 09 930278 0

That question is at the center of the story that unfolds in the book.

 

Wherever I look it seems that people in the cooler climates think of those in the warmer areas of the same country as being lazy. It might be it is more difficult to survive cool weather than warm weather. Access to food in places where is snows comes to mind. This would then create cultural differences between, say Northern China and Southern China, the increased ability of those whose tribes were more industrious may have also resulted in genetic changes in cooler climates that encoded tendency toward this kind behavior.

I agree. Except that it applies to tropical weather, no just warm. I live in a semi-desertic area, and the place is famous for being hard working. As soon as you move south and into the coast, the shift in attitude is noticeable. My guess is that it's a lot easier to get food in a place where fruit can be plucked from wild trees and a net can be cast into the ocean.

 

I may watch it. But it's like you said, a movie based on a human's thought. It ain't the truth.

Truth is often not absolute... you have your truth and I have mine. We are not discussing a question of whether the sky is blue... and even then, if one of us was colorblind?

That movie is a story. It was made during a very difficult period of time for many people. A time of turmoil and a time of hope. I have a soft spot for it as I was living in the USSR back than and understand it quite differently from western viewer. But the point is, it discusses a subject current at that time in a specific way, it speaks loudly to me and touches my heart and soul in many ways. I think this a prime example of time and context. Now this movie has not been altered, we know who made it and can even discuss why. Does this help shed some light on how difficult it is to understand why people stake their life on something of unknown origin that was written a long time ago by culture far removed from ours?

 

The idea of earth being "seeded" by aliens has also given me some pause for thought,although again I can offer no proof.Something that has interested me also is the theory of humans originating "out of Africa" and populating the earth.
I find it rather strange that, if this was the case, that it seemed to be humans in what we now call Europe we made all the so-called advances in science,medicine and other things we now take for granted(not forgetting the advances made in the middle east or far east).
Why, if humans came out of Africa, did they not develop much further along the road to development but seemed to stagnate in tribal cultures. See also the Australian aborigines,supposed to have lived there for about 40000 years but made real advances in tech, etc.
Then we have the issue of the Nethandrals,(sp), they apparently had a reasonably progressive culture but were overtaken by homo sapiens.
Is there a possibility that there was external interference favouring the rise of homo sapiens in europe. I guess we will never know until those "aliens" come back to check on progress. Makes for some interesting SCI-FI tales.

I question the accuracy of the theory that mankind originated in Africa, but assuming it's correct, perhaps their failure to launch could be explained by lack of spark. In recent times with quickly advancing technology, we see a need and when something is invented to meet the need, it grows and feeds off of other inventions and gets more and more sophisticated at an exponential rate. Sort of like investing in a 401k or other investment. You start investing in your teens Vs. start investing in your 40's, the difference at the end could be millions of dollars; the earlier you get the ball rolling, the bigger it gets and the faster it gets big. If you were to plot what we know about our technological prowess over time, it would probably be a flat line with a spike at the end.

That's just me playing Devil's Advocate.

 

Who said mankind originated in Africa ??

 

Who said mankind originated in Africa ??

Evolutionary Models.

kv

Edit: https://phys.org/news/2017-06-moroccan-fossil-rearranges-homo-sapiens.html

 

@profbuxton stated:
I find it rather strange that, if this was the case, that it seemed to be humans in what we now call Europe we made all the so-called advances in science,medicine and other things we now take for granted(not forgetting the advances made in the middle east or far east).

Neil deGrasse Tyson has stated this hypothesis ...

 

This Thread I found peoples discussions over decay interesting but, meanwhile they are linking things in interesting ways. Wish I could merge some of it together with this one.

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/...-particle-emission.137764/page-2#post-1156373

kv

 

Evolutionary Models.

kv

Edit: https://phys.org/news/2017-06-moroccan-fossil-rearranges-homo-sapiens.html

HUH. So they are not so certain about the "out of Africa " theory.

Edit: fixed autocorrect

 

So they are bit so certain about the "out of Africa " theory.

Not too many holes from 4 million years ago to today ... [/sarcasm]

Yes, it's been said our DNA "can" be traced back to Africa. That doesn't mean it has been.

What if our DNA traces back to IRAQ ... you know this area

 

So far the oldest known confirmed mappable human genome is ~430,000 years old and came from a cave in spain.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-ol...-sequenced-and-it-could-rewrite-human-history

http://www.nature.com/news/oldest-ancient-human-dna-details-dawn-of-neanderthals-1.19557

Up until recently the oldest known hominid fossils found so far com from around Ethiopia and date back ~ 2.8 million years.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...-evolution-fossil-jaw-ethiopia-olduvai-gorge/

However that is now contestable given some ~7.2 million year old hominin fossils have been found around the Balkans suggesting that we may have originated from the European continent around the eastern Mediterranean region rather than the eastern African continent..

http://www.newsweek.com/first-hominin-europe-east-africa-human-evolution-613494

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/170523083548.htm

So, yea. Odds are our ancestors have been kicking around Europe and africa for a long time.

 

So far the oldest known confirmed mappable human genome is ~430,000 years old and came from a cave in spain.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-ol...-sequenced-and-it-could-rewrite-human-history

http://www.nature.com/news/oldest-ancient-human-dna-details-dawn-of-neanderthals-1.19557

Up until recently the oldest known hominid fossils found so far com from around Ethiopia and date back ~ 2.8 million years.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...-evolution-fossil-jaw-ethiopia-olduvai-gorge/

However that is now contestable given some ~7.2 million year old hominin fossils have been found around the Balkans suggesting that we may have originated from the European continent around the eastern Mediterranean region rather than the eastern African continent..

http://www.newsweek.com/first-hominin-europe-east-africa-human-evolution-613494

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/170523083548.htm

So, yea. Odds are our ancestors have been kicking around Europe and africa for a long time.

Before we drift out of the known to the un-known. Some or many will contest far reaching conclusions. But, some data just won't fit our current Model.

kv

 

But, some data just won't fit our current Model.

Nothing like some other conclusions from messing with a self-prophetic model. Consensus is not part of the Scientific Method, as far as I know. Replication, however, is.

When did "models" become "laws"? At best, models represent one possible hypothesis. Granted it might be a politically agreed upon hypothesis, but that doesn't elevate it to a law.

 

Nothing like some other conclusions from messing with a self-prophetic model.

This question came up in my mind when reading some of the articles posted by @tcmtech . For example:

Instead, we should be looking at another species called Homo antecessor - which evolved much earlier than H. heidelbergensis - as being our common ancestor instead.

This means it's time to start looking for a population of human ancestors that lived between 700,000 to 900,000 years ago to find out where we came from

This looks like we are setting ourselves up for a self-fulfilling prophesy. But what else are we to do? Just start digging in random places for bones; random pieces to a puzzle that missing almost all the pieces? I ask this not sarcastically, but how do you think it should be done? I don't have the answer and I'd like to hear yours.