The Catholic Church as been on board with the acceptance of the possibility of extraterrestrial life since the 16th century, btw.

Never heard that. References?

 

The Catholic Church as been on board with the acceptance of the possibility of extraterrestrial life since the 16th century, btw.

That's hard to believe, considering they only let Galileo out of Hell in the 1970's.

How could the Pope be cool with E.T when he didn't believe the earth revolved around the sun?

 

Sorry. We all try to float a joke every once in a while and some of them don't go over at all.

You missed a chance to make that a pun...
We all try to float a joke every once in a while but some miss the point...

Get it?
Floating point?!
Ahhahaha I'm such a clever boy...

 

That's hard to believe, considering they only let Galileo out of Hell in the 1970's.

How could the Pope be cool with E.T when he didn't believe the earth revolved around the sun?

That was my first thought as well. But I didn't feel like googling it and didn't want to speak out and be wrong. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I'm also curious to see what comes back.

 

I didn't feel like googling it

I already had that argument with one of my crew, a devout Catholic, so I didn't need to Google it.

 

Get it?
Floating point?!
Ahhahaha I'm such a clever boy...

Yebbut, I'm trying to put some soothing cream on Riffa because sometimes he doesn't get math jokes.
This is the wrong moment to push that (decimal) point.

 

I have watched the Ancient Aliens show, and just like religion, just like mainstream scientific theories, there were some things that made sense and a lot of things that didn't. Enough things sounded like hogwash that I stopped watching. But the stone structures on mountains are definitely an intriguing unanswered question in my book. I don't rule out the possibility of extraterrestrial intervention; actually it's the theory that seems most likely in my book.

I have often pondered what extraterrestrials would look like if we met them. I wouldn't be surprised if they were human.

I love this topic even though nothing will be resolved. A lot of food for thought.

I first read Von Danican's book back in 1971(?). I've been hooked ever since.
I too watch Ancient Aliens and also find some of it hogwash. But some of it is very compelling. And why are there no dissenting views from mainstream science to debunk these theories? Do the producers not allow them, or
do they have no concrete rebuttals? I've seen some shows that attempt to explain how some of these structures
were done. But they were small scale and not very satisfying. Where are The Myth Busters when you need them?

If I were to have a hero it would be Carl Sagan. I once had all 17 hours of his Cosmos on VHS.(I probably watched it 10 times). He once postulated that if there were ETs they would most likely NOT look like us. The events that
happened to Earth are unique to Earth and no other planet. The dinosaurs evolved after an extinction 200
million yrs.ago. They owned the planet until that pesky asteroid 65 MYA. That event ultimately led to us.
Extremely unlikely these two events would happen on another planet in the same way. Ergo, different evolution.
different beings. At least according to Sagan.
However, if ET is in fact humanoid, then it follows that we HAVE been visited by ET and actually seeded by them.
We are them.At least according to me.

 

Never heard that. References?

Me and my big mouth... now I HAVE to go, research that bit of information and try to placate all of you and your insatiable curiosity...

Seriously now. I'll be back with a good reference to back my claim.

And btw, #12, most people have the Galileo story all wrong, but that could be a subject for another thread.

 

If I were to have a hero it would be Carl Sagan.

Good choice... I second that

 

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However, if ET is in fact humanoid, then it follows that we HAVE been visited by ET and actually seeded by them.
We are them.At least according to me.

That's where I was going with my statement.

 

Me and my big mouth... now I HAVE to go, research that bit of information and try to placate all of you and your insatiable curiosity...

Seriously now. I'll be back with a good reference to back my claim.

And btw, #12, btw most people have the Galileo story all wrong, but that could be a subject for another thread.

Ok, my bad. It wasn't on the 16th century, but rather on the 13th that this subject was documented (among other instances). But hey, what's three centuries among friends?

Anyway, here are a few references:

"For Catholics, enriched by Greco-Roman philosophy, the question of whether there were other worlds had a pretty early onset.

In the 13th century, Thomas Aquinas was already arguing for the existence of other worlds and beginning to wrap his mind around its theological implications in his Third Book of Sentences.

For the French priest and philosopher John Buridan (1295-1363), saying that no other worlds existed implied imposing a limit to the power of God. “We hold from faith that just as God made this world, so he could make another or several worlds,” he wrote."
https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2017/02/23/catholicism-handle-discovery-extraterrestrial-life/


There was also a proclamation in one of the Church's councils regarding this subject, but I have yet to find it and post it here. I'm too friggin' busy at the moment... even though I find this subject fascinating.

If anyone wants a more comprehensive statement about this subject, I suggest you read this pamphlet.

 

I too watch Ancient Aliens and also find some of it hogwash. But some of it is very compelling. And why are there no dissenting views from mainstream science to debunk these theories?

Mainstream science has better things to do than to waste time to debunk these crackpot theories and other ones like the EMDRIVE or ECAT cold fusion or a thousand other fringe science scams on the internet and media.

 

Mainstream science has better things to do than to waste time to debunk these crackpot theories and other ones like the EMDRIVE

Ouch! ...

That EMDRIVE has shown some anomalies that deserve further investigation, in my humble opinion... but don't let me veer this thread off subject... I'll post any new findings (either for or against) on the thread I opened a couple of years ago.

 

That's where I was going with my statement.

Yebbut, doesn't that leave the same question? Were the ancient aliens created by their God or did they develop from primordial ooze?

Panspermia (or paneggia) doesn't answer anything for me.

 

Ouch! ...

That EMDRIVE has shown some anomalies that deserve further investigation, in my humble opinion... but don't let me veer this thread off subject... I'll post any new findings (either for or against) on the thread I opened a couple of years ago.

Many would classify Intelligent design as fringe science if it's restricted to intelligence and not the supernatural. We don't know all the answers but we do know what's impossible inside a hollow copper can. There is a difference between disruptive ideas that don't violate basic laws of physics, and crackpot ideas that are just made up nonsense.

NSFW language

 

https://futurism.com/proof-that-the-universe-could-have-come-from-nothing/

first there was nothing and then it exploded... I am not sure how much to trust these theories given that no-one can reliably do a 2 week weather forecast, but sounds interesting

I was always more puzzled by the question of where God came from... I mean, Greek Gods had specific origins for example. Christian God, not so much (as far as I know) - if it is an eternal being, would it not create Earth and humans just out of boredom and then we are simply play things?

 

Yebbut, doesn't that leave the same question? Were the ancient aliens created by their God or did they develop from primordial ooze?

Panspermia (or paneggia) doesn't answer anything for me.

Yeah. If God created us, then who created God? If the answer is "God always existed " then why couldn't we (or at least the universe) have always existed?

Now replace "God" with aliens.
Now with clouds of matter (big bang)

It's the most important question to ever go unanswered. Maybe if God would pick up the phone or if the aliens would come back for a status report (hopefully not required to be in ancient Sumerian) would gave some more pieces to the puzzle.

 

Maybe like an Ex-Alcoholic demonizes people who drink and most harsh critics at times is like the Romans changing religion and demonizing other worldly beings so the current population don't fall back into their previous religion.

Standardizing a hard fast rule, but then bending it when ever it suits them.

kv

 

Sounds to me like you're working on those Christian Myths.

first there was nothing and then it exploded

we are simply play things?

Like those souls I spoke of in post #65?

"Hey Satan, watch this. If I roll a seven that whole planet is going to Hell."

 

“We hold from faith that just as God made this world, so he could make another or several worlds,” he wrote."

As long as their stars revolved around the planets?

It's just such a leap for me to picture the Catholic church accepting such advanced concepts while wallowing in their ignorance for the next 600 years.