Exactly. The density of matter is key.

I like the way you put it.

Mikado

MIKADO!

Nice to hear from you! I had a feeling after I talked to Plad I might be seeing you post here!

Guy's...Mikado here is a real...well he's a real live one! LOL!

I see you have not lost a step in being quick to jump on the debate wagon.

Split Infinity

 

Well Split, I see you have that old topic of yours being discussed here. As before, you are simplifying too much and attempting to be specific only in some areas....that won't work.

For example, the density of matter determines the amount of the effect of gravity. The earth is not uniform in it's density therefore your example does not address this issue. Secondly, the material that the tube is made of will have an effect upon the ball, unless of course you ignoring that as well.

Here is a question for you, you say that the tube is a vacuum. I assume that you say this to eliminate the effects of friction upon the ball.

Next question, if the above answer is "yes" then you state this to remove any effects upon the ball that would slow it down?

Mikado

Yes...as well as a theoretical frictionless tunnel.

At the heart of my answer lies the observation that greater density does exist the closer to the Earth's center of gravity.

If a Gravitic Special Effect where the Gravity Well is...did not exist then as the original matter and particles of that first gather due to attraction came into contact with each other their kinetic energy transfer would never allow them to gather as this would force them back appart.

So as all matter in motion that has built up momentum bumps into one another it would then part again and the Earth would never have been formed.

This is why I am certain that a Special Gravitic Effect exists at the Heart of a Gravity Well.

Split Infinity

 

Yes...as well as a theoretical frictionless tunnel.

At the heart of my answer lies the observation that greater density does exist the closer to the Earth's center of gravity.

Well sometimes what you observe is not necessarily what you saw.

If a Gravitic Special Effect where the Gravity Well is...did not exist then as the original matter and particles of that first gather due to attraction came into contact with each other their kinetic energy transfer would never allow them to gather as this would force them back appart.

If the "original matter" is all at the exact density then what would have caused them to gravitate (pun intended) toward each other in the first place? Secondly, you describe this action as if you are describing cue balls on a billiard table.

So as all matter in motion that has built up momentum bumps into one another it would then part again and the Earth would never have been formed.

Again, cue balls. So, if matter collides with each other they would just bounce off each other? Then what about certain experiments in the Hadron Collider where the collision of matter created new matter?

This is why I am certain that a Special Gravitic Effect exists at the Heart of a Gravity Well.

Split Infinity

And as always dear split infinity, I am sure that you are certain. Remember, them that do and them that don't...it is very easy to sit in an easy chair and postulate, it is a bit more difficult to get out of the chair and do something.

Best,

Mikado

 

Well sometimes what you observe is not necessarily what you saw.



If the "original matter" is all at the exact density then what would have caused them to gravitate (pun intended) toward each other in the first place? Secondly, you describe this action as if you are describing cue balls on a billiard table.



Again, cue balls. So, if matter collides with each other they would just bounce off each other? Then what about certain experiments in the Hadron Collider where the collision of matter created new matter?



And as always dear split infinity, I am sure that you are certain. Remember, them that do and them that don't...it is very easy to sit in an easy chair and postulate, it is a bit more difficult to get out of the chair and do something.

Best,

Mikado

LOL! I can always count on you to keep me honest can't I?

As I stated...the very existancde of matter is what is causing it to gravitate towards other matter. Now when say two H2 molecules gravitate towards each other they are going to collide and this would ordinarily cause them to bounce off one another...yet they don't and collect.

There is the Specialized Effect.

As far as chairs...I have a tendency to standup at my home bar when typing.

Split Infinity

 

"Specialized Effect"? can you say what that is using standard terms in physics? I have no idea what you are think of.

 

Mikado, too? Boy, Split...you must be a riot at parties!

 

Mikado, too? Boy, Split...you must be a riot at parties!

Jo...Please read the few last posts in the Off Topic section under the title...Give Credit Due.

Then I would like to talk to you after.

Split Infinity

 

"Specialized Effect"? can you say what that is using standard terms in physics? I have no idea what you are think of.

Specialized Gravitic Effect is not something you would ahve been taught but it is something that Stevie Hawkin...spent alot of time trying to figure out when attempting to write the Math for Black Holes.

Split Infinity

 

Mikado, too? Boy, Split...you must be a riot at parties!

"Mikado, too?" what? Please explain yourself.

Mikado

 

LOL! I can always count on you to keep me honest can't I?

As I stated...the very existancde of matter is what is causing it to gravitate towards other matter. Now when say two H2 molecules gravitate towards each other they are going to collide and this would ordinarily cause them to bounce off one another...yet they don't and collect.

There is the Specialized Effect.

As far as chairs...I have a tendency to standup at my home bar when typing.

Split Infinity

Honest? I don't know about that, Split. A person chooses to be honest or they simply choose not to be honest. But then I am sure your answer was merely one of those social statements..<g>

I see the thread was locked over on the "Off Topic". It sppears that some here think I am you. You, Split, mentioned that a moderator could check the IP's and someone came back about proxy servers. Well, they claimed to be "technical" minded but in reality, even on the Hut, I found ways to identify what IP's were proxy and what were not. I might be an Engineer but computers aren't exactly my forte but it really isn't that difficult. In regard to the comment pertaining to "proxy" IP's, take it with a grain of salt.

I also noticed that it appears that Plad is opening up in discussing the Gravitor Project. He might be a bit premature in doing so. The test data is still being accumulated from further experiments and formulas are being derived based upon that data.

I will cut to the chase. The experiment that Plad is referring involved High Voltage applied across a dielectric. At 14.3 KV with an inrush current of approximately 500 μamps, an independent gravity field was created in both aiding and opposing to the local gravity field. The efficiency of the device was 53% derived from the weight of the device without charge and the weight of the device with charge. These tests all involved DC Voltages using a Spellman 100KV supply. The experiments were done with reference to Earth ground.

It was asked in the previous mentioned thread that has now been locked, about a relationship of gravity to magnetism, yes, there is and it is referred to as "magnetogravitic". As to experimenting in that direction, I have not and cannot discuss it intelligently for my thrust has been in regard to electrogravitic. In fact, perhaps some of these intelligent or technical minded individuals should look up "gravitoelectromagnetism" or GEM. Also "gravitomagnetism" which is used to refer to the kinetic effects of gravity but then this has no bearing on what it is that I and others are doing.

It was further stated in a post where I or Plad should ask you for funds or more specifically "money". I don't operate that way. Anything worth doing is worth doing yourself and so doing it, one can be the master of their ship. Of course I do realize that the barbs being posted there were being directed to you in the manner that you are I which is further from the truth than one can imagine. In fact, here is my IP = 68.238.191.43. The only thing I strive to do is maintain my anonymity. I do not need to have my identity put out there so that all the "fringies" (fringe science preachers) will show up at my door (two already have) and/or have my parents harassed in looking for me (which has been done) thanks to someone named Linda. If someone truly would like to meet, there are ways and protocols to do so by not putting out personal information on a public forum.

I apologize if my post seems a bit trite but I felt the need to confront the (choose on) tongue in cheek posts; negative posts; accusatory posts that I am someone else; or anything else one might choose in filling in the blank.

I do have one comment from that other thread. I sign my posts, everyone one of my posts with my name because it is a sign of respect, a sign of being courteous, a sign that one takes responsibility and has accountability for what they say. If one chooses not to then that is their choice but to criticize one who does do so indicates something else and this is not the place to discuss it.

I also would like to point out that I have filled out my public profile.

Mikado

 

Sounds like a "lifter", which is an ionic wind effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft

Neat effect, but not gravitational in nature.

 

Sounds like a "lifter", which is an ionic wind effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft

Neat effect, but not gravitational in nature.

Or even new and original.

 

Or even new and original.

It is Biefeld-Brown Effect...which if you noticed is the person...Dr. T. Townsend Brown...and work that Mikado and Plad have been studying as well as all three of us know Dr. Browns daughter...Linda.

I provided a link on page one of Credit Due that within that link has many letters sent to and from Dr. Brown by various well known scientists, physicists and U.S. Government Groups and U.S. Militart and Intell. services.

If you want to learn a few things that I think you would enjoy...go to that link and check it out. The information is well documented as well as much of this work has continued and is at Above Top Secret Classification.

Split Infinity

 

Sounds like a "lifter", which is an ionic wind effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft

Neat effect, but not gravitational in nature.

It is not a lifter. A lifter can be made with some balsa wood and aluminum foil. A lifter is to a Gravitor as kite is to an airplane.

Mikado

 

An example that I can post to show that a created Gravity Well does in fact have Specialized Gravitic Effect is as follows.

Say there exists a Universal State of Reality that has the same Natural Laws of Physics our Universe has except that the resulting Big Bang in this Universe only ejected enough Particles to form a single solar system the size of ours and having created an area of existing Space/Time equal to a Sphere 1 Light Year in Diameter.

Now a the moment of this Big Bang as particles are ejected and Space/Time begins expanding it is the created Gravity that will gather the Mass to create this solar system.

Since all these particles are in a state of motion...and are still in motion as they come into contact with other particles as they gather by Gravitic Effect...if there was not SPECIALIZED GRAVITIC EFFECT...how is it possible that all these particles in motion are able to COLLECT?

Now two H2 Molecules moving toward each other at a velocity no matter how slight...when they come in contact with one another KINETIC TRANSFER should cause the two H2 Molecules to bounce off one another and head in directions away from each other specific to their rate of velocity, angle of impact and proximity to other particles created Gravitic Effect around them.

Thus in this Universe all those particles in motion when encountering one another should bounce off each other and thus Planets and the Star would never form.

This is not what happens as SPECIALIZED GRAVITIC EFFECT allows ENTROPHY of KINETIC ENERGY...and thus as all these particles in motion encounter each other and at that point of contact of their Electron Orbital Fields which repell each other...the two H2 Molecules have a shared Gravity Well that allows a tiny amount of this Entrophy...and eventually all these particles will gather.

As they gather to a quantity of mass required for Stellar Fusion to occur...Specialized Gravitic Effect is shown again as if did not exist...all these H2 Molecules gathered would not be able to create Gravitic Compression required for Fusion...as they wouldn't even collect at all without this but let's say they did.

All these H2 Molecules would collect themselves and without SGE would not allow greater density at the center of mass. There would just exist a large collection of side by side H2 Molecules through out the celestial body.

Specialized Gravitic Effect or SGE shows us that a large collection of particles will create at the center of mass a Gravity Well that in and of itself is just the greatest and closest state of One Dimensional Expression existing at the center point of distributed mass. As this Gravity Well is created Distributed Mass of a collection of particles CHANGES as Particle Density is greatest at the Center Point of the Gravity Well and decreases in a ratio specific to the decrease in Space/Time warpeture the further away from the center of mass.

So without SGE...Planets Stars and other Celestial Bodies cannot form...and even as we look at Gas Nebula in our Universe...that is a collection of large quantities of matter thus particles...we ALWAYS see within such Nebula...STAR FORMATION as SGE slowly gathers these particles as such particle momentum is reduced over time by SGE and due to this...these collections by Gravity and Gravitic Compression of Matter by SGE allow such Nebula to form New Stars.

Split Infinity

 

Thing about lifters, the claims made about them when they were new were much the same. I'm not buying into your arguments, especially with no real hardware to show for it. Science is all about reproducibility, not unsubstantiated claims.

Fact is, most of us here are hands on types, who regularly fabricate our own gear.

 

Thing about lifters, the claims made about them when they were new were much the same. I'm not buying into your arguments, especially with no real hardware to show for it. Science is all about reproducibility, not unsubstantiated claims.

Fact is, most of us here are hands on types, who regularly fabricate our own gear.

Bill...when I first was told about the work and susequent developed tech. based upon Dr. T. Townsend Brown I was very skeptical and thought...No Way! That is until I did a little looking into to Dr. Brown and his work...projects still going on based upon his work...and letters...such as the ones documented in the LINK I provided on the first page of the now closed Give Credit Due.

I joined a Forum by invitation where I met Dr. Browns daughter Linda as well well as met Mikado and Plad. Still I still did not believe what I was being told as far as the work.

Then after reading several communications between Dr. Brown and elements of the U.S. Military and specific branches of as well as looked into files detailing some of Dr. Brown's work that even after he got out of the Navy...was work that was closely followed by several groups and agencies.

THAT information showed me just how important his work was as well as even if you read some of the letters available on that link...they show just how serious this work was being taken by those who would use it.

Now Mikado has told me that his project that is moving along with the help of Plad is specific to Dr. Browns work and I have a fairly good idea of what it is they are attempting.

Now even if you are very skeptical to the nature of such work...take the time to read a few of the letters from that link which can be cross checked to verify their authenticity. If you do that you will be surprised just as I was to the level of importance this work was held at by many groups and agencies.

Split Infinity

 

I just came up with a theory as far as this topic is concerned relating to the concept of SGE or Specialized Gravitic Effect as I think it may be connected to Dark Energy and accelerating Universal Expansion.

Now if SGE is as I postulate and the effects we see in nature would support this...that being that since Particles of Mass in motion gather and eventually create Celestial Bodies instead of such particles in motion just continually bouncing off one another due to Kinetic Transfer...as if we had 100 rubber balls in a hollow sphere and within that sphere was a vacuum...the spheres walls consisted of no material but just a Space/Time curvature and all the balls were in motion at the same velocity.

These balls would continue buncing off one another and by Space/Time Geometry be redirected inward from the outskirts of the sphere...the balls WOULD NEVER STOP TRANSFERING KINETIC ENERGY NOR WOULD THEY GATHER....UNLESS...SGE existed.

SGE would create an Entropic Effect upon the balls Kinetic Energy and momentum as they encountered one another...if this did not happen...the balls would go one moving FOREVER.

Now if SGE exists...and the Logic definitely shows that it does...perhaps this Entropic Effect created because of Specialized Space/Time Geometry causes this energy to be presented elsewhere within such a Universal Reality.

Perhaps SGE simply takes away the Kinetic Energy at the Gravity Well and relocates it elsewhere within that Universal Space/Time Geometry. Thus since the ball moving and once encountering another ball or balls and as we know they will eventually collect by Gravity specific to SGE...this Lost Momentum or Lost Potential Force by some Universal Geometric state or law of Energy Conservation...relocates or changes it's state of effect to interact with the Geometry and Dimensionality of Space/Time.

The fact remains that NO ONE HERE has been able to explain why Particles in motion will gather by Gravitic Effect even though such particles in motion will and should continue in motion by Kinetic Transfer once they impact one another. That is the tenet of this topics issue...SGE must exist to cause entrophy of force or F=MA.

If SGE is a reality then perhaps this entrophy is simply just a transferance of kinetic energy being expressed Geometrically thus dimensionally in our Universal Space/Time.

Split Infinity