And by year what??????

shorter fall, warmer winter, shorter spring, longer growing season = bad?

Nope, just warmer.

 

Warmer than what if zero new daily peak high events were recorded?

And does your 'Just warmer' equate to better or worse living conditions?

Without a context it's a meaningless statement based on a meaningless and quite derived arbitrary value.

 

Maybe this is the whole problem behind the numbers. http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...in-if-youre-bad-at-math/ar-BBwcQCQ?li=BBnbfcL

They can see the numbers but lack the cognitive functions to put them into their correct relative contexts and thus can only see that one arbitrary average number changed and therefore assume everything must have changed for the worse when in reality nothing has went out of the min/max limits for the true working range of the system or that the overall ideal range of values has expanded to cover more of the base number set raising areas of normally lower than ideal range values to be higher and trimming areas of higher than ideal values to be lower.

 

Warmer than what if zero new daily peak high events were recorded?

Are you trying to manipulate the data?
It is not about a daily peak temperature. It's a big world.

And does your 'Just warmer' equate to better or worse living conditions?

The thread is not about your comfort.
Five New Climate Reports

They can see the numbers but lack the cognitive functions to put them into their correct relative contexts and thus can only see that one arbitrary average number changed and therefore assume everything must have changed for the worse when in reality nothing has went out of the min/max limits for the true working range of the system.

And you would allow the range to move, then say LOOK! it's still inside the range.

 

The thread is not about you comfort.

He is in North Dakota, you need to explain a bit more to convince him of a down-side.

 

The thread is not about you comfort.

So then it's about everyone else's comfort and convenience?

If so why don't I get a say in it? They don't care about me or my region so why exactly should I and anyone else here care about them exactly?

The way I see it my region improved and the vast majority of those who live here feel exactly as I do in the sense that everyone who wants us to do something to give up our gains can go pound sand to be politely put.


The way we look at it is simple. Shorter fall and spring seasons plus less harsh winter equates to huge gains for us in terms of both standard of living and financial savings/gains. For us a mild winter can mean a $1000+ in financial savings a year relating to buying heating energy plus a longer hotter summer equates to better growing conditions which again are positives in our regions standards of living and financial stability. The same crap that everyone else is trying to hold onto themselves.

So what exactly about that is so hard to follow? Someone else thinks their life might be getting harder. So what? Ours got better so leave it the hell alone.

Our lives improved therefore we don't count and thusly have no say in this? Is that it?

As far as our numbers go you can add 20 degrees to every single day of they year and we have nothing but gains to get from it. Sure we may have to spend an extra $1000 a year on air conditioning but in doing so we are also saving $2000+ on heating costs and will have doubled the length of our growing seasons which in our books is still huge win!

 

He is in North Dakota, you need to explain a bit more to convince him of a down-side.

Exactly. The average mean value number is meaningless without showing in detail where it came from. As I have pointed out its very easy to push that number way up without a single day ever going outside of the climates known deviation limits.

Around here there are 200+ days of the year that could have their mean daily temperature value increased by 30 - 50 degrees F and still fall short of the highest known value ever recorded and the only effect they would have here is huge gains and not only that of those 200 days that 30 - 50 degree increase would still only put a handful of them above our ideal 70 - 100 F range.

For us a 1.5 F annual mean temperature rise is nothing more than having a week or two of 10 - 30 degree weather in January or February rather than that week or two being the typical 0 - negative 20 F.
Inarguably the mean number went up but in reality it doesn't mean squat over all let alone represent a negative impact.

 

So then it's about everyone else's comfort and convenience?

If so why don't I get a say in it? They don't care about me or my region so why exactly should I and anyone else here care about them exactly?

The way I see it my region improved and the vast majority of those who live here feel exactly as I do in the sense that everyone who wants us to do something to give up our gains can go pound sand to be politely put.


The way we look at it is simple. Shorter fall and spring seasons plus less harsh winter equates to huge gains for us in terms of both standard of living and financial savings/gains. For us a mild winter can mean a $1000+ in financial savings a year relating to buying heating energy plus a longer hotter summer equates to better growing conditions which again are positives in our regions standards of living and financial stability. The same crap that everyone else is trying to hold onto themselves.

So what exactly about that is so hard to follow? Someone else thinks their life might be getting harder. So what? Ours got better so leave it the hell alone.

Our lives improved therefore we don't count and thusly have no say in this? Is that it?

I'm happy for you. Really, I am.

 

It's what helps keep the lazy, weak, whiny and self entitled out.

 

A little late for the party, but, has anyone taken a look at this graphic?:

http://www.iflscience.com/environme...nonsensical-climatechange-deniers-really-are/

 

The left's fascination with not allowing others to talk is simply amazing. Think about the micro-aggression thing on campuses, think about the faux R "discussions", think about the equality "discussions", or the global warming "discussions", ...

The latest victim is Jimmy Fallon and before that Matt Lauer, for merely providing a forum to interview Trump. their crimes are simply providing trump with a microphone so he can speak his mind.

Just how undemocratic and intolerant is that?

If those people are so righteous, so confident that they hold the ultimate truth, why are they so afraid of other people with dissenting views?

 

A little late for the party, but, has anyone taken a look at this graphic?:

http://www.iflscience.com/environme...nonsensical-climatechange-deniers-really-are/

Yea we did. GopherT put it in its entirety in post 27.

Interesting thing is in the timeline range of 16,000 BCE to 15,500 BSC they even mention short term blips which in their sub graph show 2 - 3 dots to be an insignificant blip yet as their overall graph shows just three dots are ~100- 120 year time and at the end of their graph in present time the rapid warming timeline is still under 60 years long or well within their own rough approximate Blip time line definition.

Also in the timeline from ~8750 BCE to ~1250 BCE they average temperature then was only fractions of a degree different than where we are shown now. So how is that ~7500 year warm period of no statistical significance?

 

The left's fascination with not allowing others to talk is simply amazing. Think about the micro-aggression thing on campuses, think about the faux R "discussions", think about the equality "discussions", or the global warming "discussions", ...

The latest victim is Jimmy Fallon and before that Matt Lauer, for merely providing a forum to interview Trump. their crimes are simply providing trump with a microphone so he can speak his mind.

Just how undemocratic and intolerant is that?

If those people are so righteous, so confident that they hold the ultimate truth, why are they so afraid of other people with dissenting views?

It aggravates most people to be lied to.
For example fact checks:

 

It's what helps keep the lazy, weak, whiny and self entitled out.

And the pea-brained.

http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2011/07/brain-size-and-latitude-why-correlation.html

 

Just how undemocratic and intolerant is that?

If those people are so righteous, so confident that they hold the ultimate truth, why are they so afraid of other people with dissenting views?

Unfortunately it's largely the standard. They find problems with nothing of significance and run with it like it's a world ending catastrophe screaming they're right even if the details of their own data, they apparently never looked at in detail, actually work against them.

ronv's rebuttal to me in these graphs sums that up pretty well.

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How about by year?
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Annual mean did go up as he is so proud of showing but if you look closely Lowest, Average Low, and Average Highs were the driving force behind that change and the Peak High values didn't change a bit plus if anything had his graphs been expanded to cover 1900 to present likely would have shown a downward trend in Peak Temperature for my region.

Now I'm not sure how things are anywhere else in the world but as far as I know warmer Fall, Winter and Spring seasons that make up 3/4's of the year have near zero detrimental effects on anything. In most cases they do however have substantial gains and benefits as we living things see it. Cold = bad, Warm = good, Hot = still way better than cold.)

So given the fact that the bulk of the warming effects and their numerical agrigates that raise the average annual mean temperature value come in the three seasons where warmer temperatures are of a net benefit does that really make this global warming issue a negative thing?

Especially so if the Peak Highs values do not show any change at all or even a downward trend?

 

And the pea-brained.

http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2011/07/brain-size-and-latitude-why-correlation.html

Well yea but if I had pointed it out it would have been seen and taken as elitist bragging and where I grew up it would placed me at being damn near as smart as the average lower end Canadian!

 

Unfortunately it's largely the standard. They find problems with nothing of significance and run with it like it a world ending catastrophe screaming they're right even if the details of their own data,they apparently never looked at in detail, work against them.

ronv's rebuttal to me in these graphs sums that up pretty well.



Annual mean did go up as he is so proud of showing but if you look closely Lowest, Average Low, and Average High lines were the driving force behind that change and the Peak High values didn't change a bit.

Now I'm not sure how thing are anywhere else in the world but as far s I know warmer Fall, Winter and Spring season that make up 3/4's of the year have near zero detrimental effects on anything. In most cases they do however have substantial gains and benefits as we living things see it. Cold = bad, Warm = good, Hot = still way better than cold.)

So given the fact that the bulk of the warming effects and their numerical values that raise the average annual mean temperature value come in the three seasons where warmer temperatures are of a net benefit does that really make this global warming issue a negative thing?

Funny, I thought warmer was warmer.

 

Funny, I thought warmer was warmer.

It's the when, where and how in reality that determines whether it's of significance or not.

Does raising the temperature of your garage that's on the far side of your yard in the middle of the night make your house warmer in the middle of the day?
Statistically more heat energy was pumped into your property in that 24 hour time line so by the numbers it should make a significant difference right?

According to you statistically by the numbers warmer is warmer and that's what matters, right?

 

the left called anyone and everyone who expressed their view on race, however divergent from the left.

when people learned from that and stopped expressing their view on race, the left called them racist too.

damn you do, and damn you don't.

no wonder people look down on them.

 

And that relates too what exactly?