Electrical Mystery

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
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39 posts and you have not yet stated the electricity usage in electric units not money terms.

This is important to figure out the amount in kilowatt-hours you use.

Now cases like you describe happen from time to time and full invesigation shows something else is wired to your supply.
I can't instantly lay my hands on the reports but there have been cases of the street lights or road signs being wired in to an unsuspecting customer's circuit.
I'm not saing this has happened in your case but
You say that the pole was replaced just when the increase started. Is anything else fed from that pole. (make a real check not just a thought one).

Let us have the results.
Yeah, or someone involuntarily supporting their local pot farmer. Sometimes those guys put their plants through cycles of 90% sunlight; sunlight supplanted by several KW of halogen lights at night. OP believes the phantom power occurs at night. I would be looking for buried cables leading to the neighbor's tool shed.
 

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Bloom

Joined May 18, 2015
85
Yeah, or someone involuntarily supporting their local pot farmer. Sometimes those guys put their plants through cycles of 90% sunlight; sunlight supplanted by several KW of halogen lights at night. OP believes the phantom power occurs at night. I would be looking for buried cables leading to the neighbor's tool shed.

How do I convert a xcel document into one (pdf) to post? I have the spread sheet with all the kilos listed for every month from 2004, the year prior to the increase.

The pole that we are directly wired from heads down the alley to the next pole, which feeds 2 residence, a bar and liquor store, also has the transformer. The pole we are fed from also travels to our neighbor behind us than goes across street down opposite alley then that pole feeds other near neighbors.

FYI: The pole we are fed from, started on fire rather spontaneously on a sunny day about 3 years ago.

I will try to get the spread sheet downloaded...
 

studiot

Joined Nov 9, 2007
4,998
I just have this image of Clint Polewood heading down the alley, sixgun in hand...........................

:)

Oh and zip up a pdf or an xls file to post.
 

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Bloom

Joined May 18, 2015
85
I will write out a few of the kilos:
January 2004 - 985 kw January 2014 - 1816 kw Jan 2015 - 2023 kw
Feb - 1288 kw Feb - 2326 kw Feb - 1784 kw
March - 1043 kw March - 2359 kw March - 1935 kw
April - 1033 kw April - 1650 kw April - 1501 kw
May - 836 kw May - 1710 kw May - 1668 kw
June - 758 kw June - 2419 kw June -
July - 893 kw July - 2434 kw
August - 1201 kw August - 2510 kw
Sept - 1473 kw Sept - 2478 kw
Oct - 1197 kw Oct - 2114 kw
Nov - 1168 kw Nov - 1778 kw
Dec - 870 kw Dec - 1836 kw

.06 cents per .09 cents .09 cents
 

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Bloom

Joined May 18, 2015
85
I just have this image of Clint Polewood heading down the alley, sixgun in hand...........................

:)

Oh and zip up a pdf or an xls file to post.
It is exactly that kind of town!! Mayberry, Northern Exposure, you get the idea..we know everyone!
 

gerty

Joined Aug 30, 2007
1,305
Is the meter on the pole or your house?
If it's on the pole, is the transformer feeding any other buildings?
Since the major usage appears to be at night, are you using a lot of security lights?
My point..you could have a current transformer,and if wired incorrectly, you might be paying for stuff that isn't yours.
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
34,814
Turn off anything that has a motor or heater.
Measure your base consumption.
As a comparison, my base is 0.5 kWh.
Total for one day averages 20 kWh with normal household usage.
 
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Bloom

Joined May 18, 2015
85
It seems to me that your baseline current at CH2 is rather high, seems like 3-4A on average even in the quiet periods and with a lot higher peaks which seems odd. I suggest you focus on that, you could try borrowing a clamp-on current meter and see if you can find similar figures.
The monitor the electrician brought over, he attached to the breaker lines directly to the furnace and the dryer lines..we chose these because the power company now would like to have us believe that is the source of all the overages..we found it to be running normally, I don't have his numbers...just remember him saying the furnace would equate to maybe $50 a month..

Is this the type of current meter you mean? What does it mean for overall energy consumption per light/appliance etc to have a high baseline current?? Power company says that the 'voltage is perfect at 121 each' and there is nothing wrong with the meter....
 

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Bloom

Joined May 18, 2015
85
Is the meter on the pole or your house?
If it's on the pole, is the transformer feeding any other buildings?
Since the major usage appears to be at night, are you using a lot of security lights?
My point..you could have a current transformer,and if wired incorrectly, you might be paying for stuff that isn't yours.
The meter is on the house, the transformer is feeding several other businesses and homes.
We have one motion light on the garage, set to shut off after a couple minutes.
Can I simply ask the power company if I have a current transformer? As far as I know, they have only checked the connections on the pole to our house, not the nect pole down with the transformer.
 

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Bloom

Joined May 18, 2015
85
You have a load, I've highlighted below, that is drawing power on both graphs, which means it is a 240V load. This load is drawing about 25-30A as best I can tell. 25A-30*240V = 6,000W-7,200W. As best I can tell, the graph ends @ midnight, so this load appears to come on in the middle of the day. Therefore I assume it is your Air Conditioner. According to this page, a typical central AC consumes about 3,500W, or about half of yours. Considering the largest consumer of power in a typical home is AC, if your AC were consuming twice the amount it should, it could very easily double your bill. You might want to investigate your AC. If the radiator isn't kept clean, it will draw extra power.
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Definitely not the AC, this was done in January/February - we actually double checked to see that the AC wasn't doing anything at that time....we also suspected something.
WHat about the gas furnace fan? Could that be doing this much?
 

gerty

Joined Aug 30, 2007
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The meter is on the house, the transformer is feeding several other businesses and homes.
We have one motion light on the garage, set to shut off after a couple minutes.
Can I simply ask the power company if I have a current transformer? As far as I know, they have only checked the connections on the pole to our house, not the nect pole down with the transformer.
A current transformer is typically used when the meter is NOT on the house. That being said you probably don't have one. One motion light isn't going to cause the problem you have ..I was thinking more along the the lines of several 400~ 1,000 watt security/street lights, and it would take a bunch.
 

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Bloom

Joined May 18, 2015
85
A current transformer is typically used when the meter is NOT on the house. That being said you probably don't have one. One motion light isn't going to cause the problem you have ..I was thinking more along the the lines of several 400~ 1,000 watt security/street lights, and it would take a bunch.
We have turned off the main on the house at night and looked around to see if any streetlights or other houses went dark...none that we can see.
 
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