I have yet to go solar, though I've had a few quotes in the $25K range (again, if memory serves).

Look for subsidies. The US government likes subsidizing projects like this.

Ron

 

After reading This there may be some validity to the TS question. Though it may not be due to EM fields, but rather to infrasonic's.

Maybe that's why camping is so popular. Well, not "Popular" as in everybody's doing it, rather, popular in the sense that those who like camping may be liking it because they're away from the subsonic noise pollution. That was a very interesting article. Has me and my wife thinking about some of the depression she's suffered. And I'm just waiting for somebody to say it!

 

Maybe that's why camping is so popular. Well, not "Popular" as in everybody's doing it, rather, popular in the sense that those who like camping may be liking it because they're away from the subsonic noise pollution. That was a very interesting article. Has me and my wife thinking about some of the depression she's suffered. And I'm just waiting for somebody to say it!

I have been convinced since childhood I can "hear" signals others cannot. I have had my hearing tested and characterized as normal. The sounds I hear are said to be tinnitus but it changes in frequency (a mixture it seems) and amplitude. It's like turning on an old TV, except everywhere. I have learned to ignore it but it often still annoying. When I'm in the mountains, the effect is drastically reduced (placebo?).

I would almost describe it as the inverse harmonics of a EM wave if there is such a thing. All the know-it-alls have told me it's just tinnitus. An experiment I would like to perform is a Faraday Cage with selectable band stops to see if there is any change. Not sure how else I could test it as clinically it's tinnitus.

 

The impact damage from being hit by such would be serious!

Having been hit by several dead birds falling from the sky ranging in size from quail to mallard ducks, I can assure you there is no damage and usually doesn't even warrant an OW! Not even worth the bother of stepping out of the way... No damage to the birds either, they tasted the same as the others bagged that day.

 

On the note of power generation and how it's done. Actually some of these wind turbines produce DC and not small units either. The 2.5 MW unit I mentioned earlier and linked to is among the largest on the North American Continent. The turbine outputs 690 volts direct current, converted to 4,160 volts AC on the ground for use in Lincoln's shops. The 4160 VAC is a popular voltage for large scale industrial use. The inverter systems are on the ground in the actual factory. Ground to turbine hub is about 279 feet and each blade is about 165 feet. Anyway the turbine itself is a DC generator with the AC coming later and not from the turbine. It's been running about 10 years now and I guess doing well. Considering the unit produces 2.5 MW and starts with 690 VDC at full load the current down is over 3.5 thousand amps DC. Some serious conductors in that tube. Anyway the three phase standard 4160 VAC 60 Hz. comes much later in the process. Consider also when this monster went up just over 10 years ago it was the largest power generating wind turbine on the continent.

We also have a Lake Erie Energy Development Corp., or LEEDCo, a nonprofit that is helping guide the effort which is a nightmare. The plan a decade or more ago was to place a wind farm out on the lake offshore. Now consider something, Lake Erie is the shallowest of the 5 great lakes. The eastern basin off Cleveland being the deepest and only averaging 60 feet in depth. During brutal Cleveland, Ohio winters the lake freezes. So now you need to go down 60 feet of water to build a base to support a column in a lake that freezes. Good luck on showing a profit or producing inexpensive electricity.

When Lincoln Electric built their turbine they tried to get two other local companies involves Lubrizol who manufactures lubricants and Progressive Insurance. Both opted out at the time but I noticed Progressive did recently install a solar farm.

"Progressive Insurance announced the creation of an 8.4-acre solar panel array, which will include over 4,000 panels. The company plans to have the new system up and running at its Mayfield Village campus this summer (construction began on March 29). The completed project will help reduce Progressive’s carbon emissions by 4,000 metric tons per year. Progressive contracted with three local companies – Mars Electric, YellowLite Inc. and Preformed Line Products Solar for the installation, design and construction of the solar array". Nothing like the picture and last time I drove past many of the panels had collapsed and during the winter they were snow and ice covered. Oh well someone thought it would be a good idea.

Ron

The new solar panels were supposed to look so good on the cover of the annual report. Too bad they didn't get the photo before the snow fell.

 

Years ago I heard a story about a "Drum Fish"

During WWII German U-Boats were active here on the SE Coast. Ships were being sunk within sight of land. Which from a 20' elevated tower might be within 15-20 miles offshore. It was a common pastime for kids on a still summer night to go down to the water and stick their heads in and listen. At night the U-Boats would surface to run their diesel engines and recharge their batteries. And yes, they could be heard if in the area! There were watchtowers built along the east coast manned by a civilian watch patrol and here in Brunswick Ga was a Navy Blimp Patrol base with the world's largest wooden structures, their hangers. Blimps were used exclusively for U-Boat spotting and they were probably responsible for a few whales also being torpedo bombed. Kinda like kids putting their ears on the railroad track to see if they could hear a train. We also in addition to drum fish have grunts which are also pretty loud.

 

I have been convinced since childhood I can "hear" signals others cannot.

My dad said he could hear explosions underground. Said they were earthquakes building up. He never gave us any early warning, so maybe not.

When I'm in the mountains, the effect is drastically reduced (placebo?).

Interesting.

All the know-it-alls

Oh I HATE those KIA's. Do all the talking and don't listen a lick. Don't they know they have two ears but one mouth? They're supposed to listen twice as much as they speak.

Kinda like kids putting their ears on the railroad track to see if they could hear a train.

Been there - done that. Never heard a train before it could be seen.

 

My dad said he could hear explosions underground. Said they were earthquakes building up. He never gave us any early warning, so maybe not.
Interesting.
Oh I HATE those KIA's. Do all the talking and don't listen a lick. Don't they know they have two ears but one mouth? They're supposed to listen twice as much as they speak.
Been there - done that. Never heard a train before it could be seen.

In bulk carrier vessels, while standing on the tank top in an empty hold (meaning you are several meters below the water level), you could hear the engines of other vessels moving in the vicinity.

 

What is interesting is considering the quantity of megawatts per acre of solar cells, Then consider the wind turbines per acre along with the megawatts per turbine. Then consider how many square miles of solar cells and wind turbines it will take to power california. A whole lot . They will certainly need to switch off all of their air conditioners. The bottom line is the amount of space things take up. So things are going to get interesting.

 

Here in Utah a lot of homes are going solar. We have snow. We also have low angle sunlight during the winter months. The effectiveness of solar panels during the winter is minimal. Plus, if I'm right, Rocky Mountain Power gives credits - not refunds - for electricity produced. AND the credits they give are on the order of some small percentage. I don't have numbers so I can only speak to what I THINK I heard: 6% of what you produce is credited to your bill. And if you were to go 100% off grid, not connected in any way, shape or form - you still have a monthly electric bill to support the infrastructure.

I have yet to go solar, though I've had a few quotes in the $25K range (again, if memory serves).

So you need to, instead, dam up the river flowing through your back yard and install a hydroelectric generator. stable power 24 hours a day and night. And the shade won't harm your lawn like the solar cells will.

 

My dad said he could hear explosions underground. Said they were earthquakes building up. He never gave us any early warning, so maybe not.
Interesting.
Oh I HATE those KIA's. Do all the talking and don't listen a lick. Don't they know they have two ears but one mouth? They're supposed to listen twice as much as they speak.
Been there - done that. Never heard a train before it could be seen.

I've e spent a lot of time trying to discern if what I'm hearing is man made. I do not believe it to be an illness because there has been changes to frequency / amplitude when there has been no macroscopic changes in the environment such as the furnace turning on or air pressure due to a door being opened etc.. I've literally sat and listened to it for what is probably now hours worth of combined duration. Given that tinnitus has many causes it could very well be that. The sound is so strange and artificial that I'm convinced it's a signal.

 

The new solar panels were supposed to look so good on the cover of the annual report. Too bad they didn't get the photo before the snow fell.

Seriously from I-271 some of them look like a train wreck, falling over. Yes, the advertising pictures always look real nice, go figure. That image was not from what I saw. I also noticed the ones Progressive Insurance put up do not share the same angle as the picture. The southern exposure yes but a much less steep angle.

On another Wind Turbine note. My wife and I just spent a week in Davis, West Virginia. My sister has a resort cabin there. We passed several mountain ridge lines with dozens of turbines with a large number not turning. WE also have several locally which have been broken for years. The funniest being at The Great Lakes Science Center. That one has been broken for several years and when questioned as to why it's because they can't get parts. The funny part id it's in the path of a local TV station traffic camera so every morning it shows up on the morning news. They named it Winda. Winda be broke. There is also a large junk yard on the west side sporting one. It's also broke and the property owner says it's not worth it between maintenance cost and down time he was losing money so now like Winda it just sits there locked rotor.

Ron

 

you need to, instead, dam up the river flowing through your back yard and install a hydroelectric generator.

Drought! The river no longer runs. Doesn't even meander. The creek no longer creeks, just the hinges to the gate by the creek.

 

I've e spent a lot of time trying to discern if what I'm hearing is man made. I do not believe it to be an illness because there has been changes to frequency / amplitude when there has been no macroscopic changes in the environment such as the furnace turning on or air pressure due to a door being opened etc.. I've literally sat and listened to it for what is probably now hours worth of combined duration. Given that tinnitus has many causes it could very well be that. The sound is so strange and artificial that I'm convinced it's a signal.

The quick and easy test to see if some sound is tinnitus or outside is quick and easy: Just cover your ears for a bit. External sounds will be changed, usually reduced. Tinnitus sounds will not be affected. First-hand experience of mine.

 

The quick and easy test to see if some sound is tinnitus or outside is quick and easy: Just cover your ears for a bit. External sounds will be changed, usually reduced. Tinnitus sounds will not be affected. First-hand experience of mine.

It's still there. If I could learn the mechanism of tinnitus as to how it creates what sounds like audible waves, then I would be likely to conclude on that. So far I can't find anything that correlates the diagnosis to what I'm actually hearing (a mixture of frequencies). Again, the sound regularly changes which would not seem to correlate with an apparent illness in the body. I would expect tinnitus to sound fairly consistent. What's more, sometimes the sound disappears entirely and I can truly enjoy silence for a short time.

My sister's friend committed suicide over what she reported to be a similar issue (tinnitus), so I imagine it affects people differently. For as much as it annoys me, it's quite minor thankfully.

 

Yup, I tend to hear a chorus of tree frogs and cicadas. FWIW If I could teach them to carry a tune it might not be so bad...

 

Mostly I hear a single tone, about 7 kHZ, equal to about 80 dB of external sound, for as long as I can recall, since early childhood.
It has not driven me mad yet.

 

If I could learn the mechanism of tinnitus as to how it creates what sounds like audible waves, then I would be likely to conclude on that. So far I can't find anything that correlates the diagnosis to what I'm actually hearing (a mixture of frequencies).

Solve that and you're going to be a rich rich sonofabitch.

sometimes the sound disappears entirely and I can truly enjoy silence for a short time.

Lucky you! I've had tinnitus since the 70's. I played rock-n-roll drums for 8 years. I hear several pitches, all in the very high range. I haven't sought to identify the frequencies, but I'm hearing that tinnitus isn't necessarily in the ear, but rather a function in the brain. But nobody has actually figured it out yet.

It has not driven me mad yet.

Not that you'd notice.

OH, C'MON BILL, I'M JUST KIDDING WITH YOU.

 

When Lincoln Electric built their turbine they tried to get two other local companies involves Lubrizol who manufactures lubricants and Progressive Insurance. Both opted out at the time but I noticed Progressive did recently install a solar farm.

Maybe they should have bundled with Lincoln?

 

I guess whether it has driven me mad depends on who ya talk to... I used to just hear a ringing semi-monotone many years ago but it has steadily progressed to the full chorus as I've gotten older. But then I've shot cases of ammo and grosses of M-80s and other assorted fireworks since childhood without ear protection. Don't even notice it unless I stop to think about it, so...