Desperately Seeking Home For Nice Doggie

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MrAl

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There is definitely such a thing as an I.Q., and a "disposition", in every Dog.
Some Dogs are absolutely brilliant, while others just "react" like a robot, or may not react at all.

There is no good or useful reason for the Pit-Bull breed to exist.

They were bred for the absolutely SICK purpose of Dog-Fighting for ""Sport"".
That's what they do best, and they're not well suited to any other purpose.
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Hi,

I thought they were used for holding onto pray while the owned could get to it to retrieve it.
They have excellent build for this and teeth that dont break off so they can hold large pray for a long time.
 

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MrAl

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Although that is not reasoning, having prior knowledge of it, he knows the outcome already.;)
I have seen a couple of very interesting documentaries on the subject of animal reasoning, these were carried out in a scientific manner.
No pre-biases involved.
Hi,

Oh ok we might be talking about a different level of reasoning. I believe that anything that reacts like that must have some level of reasoning. For example, they can tell the difference between opening a can of food vs opening a can of beans. More basically, they can tell the difference between opening a can of dog food vs opening the back door to be let out. Even more basically, they can tell the difference between opening a can of dog food vs not doing anything at all.

Do you think you can post an example of what you or they considered to be reasoning compared to what is not considered reasoning? That would be interesting.

What else you can do is look into brain imaging for animals like dogs. I believe that would be counter to the scientific finds you are looking at. It could be that more recent studies suggest higher brain function in dogs.

Also, check out "Descartes' Error" on Wikipedia.
 
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killivolt

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Typically the Dog is usually put down if it doesn’t display the correct attitude. They call it “Gameness”


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Edit: Alway keep in mind, it’s animal that will if under the wrong circumstance believes it’s under ”Threat“ will bite. But, if not under the spell of fighting which you don’t have to train them to attack, you need to allow them to integrate into the family as though into a pack.

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killivolt

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Hi,

Oh ok we might be talking about a different level of reasoning. I believe that anything that reacts like that must have some level of reasoning. For example, they can tell the difference between opening a can of food vs opening a can of beans. More basically, they can tell the difference between opening a can of dog food vs opening the back door to be let out. Even more basically, they can tell the difference between opening a can of dog food vs not doing anything at all.

Do you think you can post an example of what you or they considered to be reasoning compared to what is not considered reasoning? That would be interesting.

What else you can do is look into brain imaging for animals like dogs. I believe that would be counter to the scientific finds you are looking at. It could be that more recent studies suggest higher brain function in dogs.

Also, check out "Descartes' Error" on Wikipedia.
Maybe they would work with the Dog or Find a proper owner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_Bulls_&_Parolees

k
 

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MrAl

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That only happened in later years of the breed(s). The original breeding was for "pit sports", setting dogs on bulls or bears in a fighting pit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull-baiting#Dogs_in_bull_baiting
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I had read some time ago that they were bread for holding onto pray while the owner came to get the pray possibly for sport or for food. Not sure what the timing is for this though. I thought it was one of the original reasons for breeding that type of dog but dont remember all the details now.
 

Reloadron

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Well when all is said and done I figure it this way. Assuming that a specific breed is not banned in one's Province, State, City, Town or lets just say area of residence those who may like the breed for reasons unto themselves can have the breed. Over the years I have met dogs of many breeds. Some I trust ad some I don't. So for the dog loving types out there get a breed that suits your taste. Yes, it really is that simple. Apply some due diligence, do some homework, make a decision and move on it. Personally I can't believe a simple question has expanded into six pages.

Ron
 

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MrAl

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Well when all is said and done I figure it this way. Assuming that a specific breed is not banned in one's Province, State, City, Town or lets just say area of residence those who may like the breed for reasons unto themselves can have the breed. Over the years I have met dogs of many breeds. Some I trust ad some I don't. So for the dog loving types out there get a breed that suits your taste. Yes, it really is that simple. Apply some due diligence, do some homework, make a decision and move on it. Personally I can't believe a simple question has expanded into six pages.

Ron
Hi Ron,

Well for me it is always interesting to hear from other people as to their experiences and opinions. It kinda helps me make decisions. In fact, i find that just talking about a topic gives me new ideas even if someone doesnt bring them up themselves.

You reminded me of my early life though maybe around 8 or 10 years old. We had a German Shepard. It was well behaved an generally a very happy doggie. It never bit anyone even though it would get loose sometimes and run around the blocks around the area. One of my neighbors had a German Shepard too, and it bit me on the leg one time. My friend was playing around and let the dog loose and he came right at me. Teeth went pretty deep but it wasnt too bad, no doctor needed luckily. He was young too and didnt realize the danger there.

So there we have a good example of two different dogs of the same breed one super friendly and the other somewhat vicious. That's life i guess.
 

killivolt

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Well when all is said and done I figure it this way. Assuming that a specific breed is not banned in one's Province, State, City, Town or lets just say area of residence those who may like the breed for reasons unto themselves can have the breed. Over the years I have met dogs of many breeds. Some I trust ad some I don't. So for the dog loving types out there get a breed that suits your taste. Yes, it really is that simple. Apply some due diligence, do some homework, make a decision and move on it. Personally I can't believe a simple question has expanded into six pages.

Ron
I personally prefer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rottweiler

Or 1659340316550.jpeg

Hell Hound.

k
 

killivolt

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Hi Ron,

Well for me it is always interesting to hear from other people as to their experiences and opinions. It kinda helps me make decisions. In fact, i find that just talking about a topic gives me new ideas even if someone doesnt bring them up themselves.

You reminded me of my early life though maybe around 8 or 10 years old. We had a German Shepard. It was well behaved an generally a very happy doggie. It never bit anyone even though it would get loose sometimes and run around the blocks around the area. One of my neighbors had a German Shepard too, and it bit me on the leg one time. My friend was playing around and let the dog loose and he came right at me. Teeth went pretty deep but it wasnt too bad, no doctor needed luckily. He was young too and didnt realize the danger there.

So there we have a good example of two different dogs of the same breed one super friendly and the other somewhat vicious. That's life i guess.
Always remember these are great personal working dogs. Handlers with the proper training are very valuable in the field.

k
 

MrSalts

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Well when all is said and done I figure it this way. Assuming that a specific breed is not banned in one's Province, State, City, Town or lets just say area of residence those who may like the breed for reasons unto themselves can have the breed.
You may figure it that way but homeowners insurance companies don't agree with you. Check with your agent to see if the dog you want is banned by your policy. It gets really pricy when the homeowner has to cover the lawsuit and medical costs themselves - $50k to $150k are most settled lawsuits for dog bites. Some states allow "friend of the court" (any random lawyer) to file lawsuits against the homeowner on behalf of the homeowner's children who are bit by the family pitbull (or any other dog).

We had an unfriendly pitbull in the neighborhood and the city wouldn't do anything about the dog or the owner. The homeowners association eventually contacted the dog owner's mortgage company (on file with the county). The mortgage company contacted the insurance company and the insurance company pulled the policy, the mortgage company called the mortgage because of no insurance and the house was foreclosed. It took about 9-months but homeowner was not going to give up his dog.

Interesting line in the article below is that 9 of 10 dogs in shelters are pit bulls and most have cuts and scars all over their faces. Gee, I wonder how they've been treated and trained. Rescue one now, I'm sure your kids will love it.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/homeowners-insurance/banned-dog-breed-lists/
 

Reloadron

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You may figure it that way but homeowners insurance companies don't agree with you. Check with your agent to see if the dog you want is banned by your policy. It gets really pricy when the homeowner has to cover the lawsuit and medical costs themselves - $50k to $150k are most settled lawsuits for dog bites. Some states allow "friend of the court" (any random lawyer) to file lawsuits against the homeowner on behalf of the homeowner's children who are bit by the family pitbull (or any other dog).

We had an unfriendly pitbull in the neighborhood and the city wouldn't do anything about the dog or the owner. The homeowners association eventually contacted the dog owner's mortgage company (on file with the county). The mortgage company contacted the insurance company and the insurance company pulled the policy, the mortgage company called the mortgage because of no insurance and the house was foreclosed. It took about 9-months but homeowner was not going to give up his dog.

Interesting line in the article below is that 9 of 10 dogs in shelters are pit bulls and most have cuts and scars all over their faces. Gee, I wonder how they've been treated and trained. Rescue one now, I'm sure your kids will love it.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/homeowners-insurance/banned-dog-breed-lists/
I absolutely agree. Our homeowners as well as auto insurance is USAA " USAA's homeowners and renters insurance policies don't enforce any dog breed restrictions. Nov 16, 2021". Anyone who does not check with their homeowners insurance is asking for trouble. Owning a dog of any breed is like owning a gun. You are responsible for your dog or your gun. We happen to have two dogs, a Golden Retriever and a Catahoula Leopard (really a mixed breed mutt). USAA does look at any bite history as many insurance companies do.


Homeowners and Renters Insurance With A Pit Bull

Anyone owning a dog or dogs should absolutely check with their homeowners insurance or if things go very wrong be ready to lose your home and anything else you own. We have a neighbor up the road from us who was walking his daughters dog, a Golden Doodle, when a Pitbull went after them. The Pitbull was one of two from a neighboring house. One was taken out by a Mustang so they are down to one. These dogs were never leashed or chained or for that matter licensed. While we have a large yard to accommodate our doge if I do walk them beyond our fenced yard I am armed. People today do not want to take responsibility for their dogs actions. Hell they do not want to take responsibility for their own actions. The two dogs I mentioned are renters and good luck with a lawsuit as the owner already has a $7,000 lien against her. No money to be had.

Nine out of ten sounds about right. Every now and then I look at the Cleveland, Ohio Kennel. Yep. about 90% would be correct.

Ron
 

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MrAl

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Hi,

Interesting views about the insurance company restrictions.
I'll have to check if my friend in Los Angeles has any restrictions like that.
 

Reloadron

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Hi,

Interesting views about the insurance company restrictions.
I'll have to check if my friend in Los Angeles has any restrictions like that.
Oh yeah, really important stuff. You own a dog you are responsible for the dog. Homeowner's or renter's insurance can be in many cases breed specific as was pointed out. Your dog gets out and attacks someone causing bodily harm you best start praying because a lawsuit is soon to follow. You as the dogs owner are responsible for your dogs actions.

Ron
 

MrSalts

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Oh yeah, really important stuff. You own a dog you are responsible for the dog. Homeowner's or renter's insurance can be in many cases breed specific as was pointed out. Your dog gets out and attacks someone causing bodily harm you best start praying because a lawsuit is soon to follow. You as the dogs owner are responsible for your dogs actions.

Ron
Also, some policies (State Farm, I think) don't care about the breed but you are obligated to tell them if your dog has scratched or bit anyone (even if a claim has not been filed). They will exclude any second injury caused by the dog. If your dog hurts a second person, and they find out about the first injury - they don't pay. They also file lawsuit to get money back if they did pay and then find out about the first injury.

also, the insurance company let your mortgage company know if there are significant risks to your finances that they will not cover - and future monthly payments would be at risk.
 

Reloadron

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Also, some policies (State Farm, I think) don't care about the breed but you are obligated to tell them if your dog has scratched or bit anyone (even if a claim has not been filed). They will exclude any second injury caused by the dog. If your dog hurts a second person, and they find out about the first injury - they don't pay. They also file lawsuit to get money back if they did pay and then find out about the first injury.

also, the insurance company let your mortgage company know if there are significant risks to your finances that they will not cover - and future monthly payments would be at risk.
Yepper, that was covered in one of the links. Any bite history? Regardless of breed. One really needs to check their homeowner's policy carefully. We had State Farm for decades and they kept raising our rates, we never had a claim. We finally switched to USAA and got better home and auto coverage for less cost. However, USAA does not have motorcycle insurance so for my bike they fixed us up with Progressive. Anyway, you have a dog with a history of bad stuff claims or police reports best of luck.

Ron
 

MrSalts

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Yepper, that was covered in one of the links. Any bite history? Regardless of breed. One really needs to check their homeowner's policy carefully. We had State Farm for decades and they kept raising our rates, we never had a claim. We finally switched to USAA and got better home and auto coverage for less cost. However, USAA does not have motorcycle insurance so for my bike they fixed us up with Progressive. Anyway, you have a dog with a history of bad stuff claims or police reports best of luck.

Ron
Be careful,with newer cheap homeowner insurance quotes. Some legacy policies have full roof repair for hail damage. Newer (cheaper) insurance policies will pay only a pro-rated claim for a hail-damaged roof based on the warrantee period of the shingles. Also, there is a rider available from most companies to cover required code upgrades when a wall is opened. It costs less than $10/year. A nice coverage if your home is more than 20-years old. There are new electrical requirements (arc-fault and ground fault) and plumbing like venting and - even heater runs of sheet metal which can get very expensive. Not bad for $10/yr.

also, insurance goes up each year without claims because it costs more to rebuild your house each year and the inflation of legal judgments and medical costs associated with things like dog bites. Insurance is, by definition, a socialist program and not dependent on your claims alone. It depends on everyone's claims. Remember the wild fires, flooding and hail storms anywhere that your company offers policies?
 
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