I caught the virus twice even after vaccination. My symptoms were fever, cough, sneezing.

 

There are 3 Covid vaccines. I used the Pfizer ones and had the sniffles. Maybe it was mild Covid, a mild cold or a pollen allergy.
I am 78 years old and probably would have died or become very sick if I did not get the 6 doses of the vaccine.

Everybody I know have had the Covid vaccines and a few had Covid with no serious problems. The hospitals and morgue were full of anti-vaxers at times.

 

It's virtually impossible for a normal person to think like an Insane-Criminal,
and therefore virtually impossible to make any sense of their actions.

Can You explain what Adolf Hitler was thinking back in WW2 ???
Lots of people try, and they're probably all completely off base,
it's absurd to think that You "know" his thought process.
Massive conspiracies going on all over the place back then,
and most of them are well proven with hard evidence, not "theories".

Some appropriate Platitudes .............

It's much better to say "I don't know",
rather than espouse conclusions that are very likely incorrect, or at best incomplete.

The better educated a person becomes on a subject,
the more he realizes how much he doesn't know about it.

If a person thinks he's got it "all figured out", he most certainly doesn't have a clue.
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Lost our Son in laws father even after being vaxed. Had a mild case, was hospitalized for a few days and went home. His wife was out of town and unable to reach him by phone at home and he was found dead on the floor. Never did find out what the autopsy results were and she far too upset to ask. We've been doing the Moderna, RSV, Shingles, and Pneumonia. Up to 6 Moderna's plus boosters now I think. It seems to have fewer reported side effects and better reported results.

 

We must keep in mind that vaccines are all about statistics. They're designed to work in the vast majority of cases, but there are exceptions, of course. As a matter of fact, statistics is one of the "filter courses" that make or break a medical student. And it's very important because of its direct relationship with the management of infectious diseases.

 

If a person thinks he's got it "all figured out", he most certainly doesn't have a clue.

Says the guy that spent 40 days in jail for unpaid tickets, because he knows the state can't put him in jail for not paying his tickets.

 

We must keep in mind that vaccines are all about statistics. They're designed to work in the vast majority of cases, but there are exceptions, of course. As a matter of fact, statistics is one of the "filter courses" that make or break a medical student. And it's very important because of its direct relationship with the management of infectious diseases.

Our vaccines, statistically work very well at reducing death and serious disease. They don't stop transmission but can slow the spread into something manageable. China, post their Covid-Zero prison and with a status of low or bad vaccination is calculated to have lost millions in a very short time.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china...inas-sudden-end-covid-curbs-study-2023-08-25/
Nearly 2 million excess deaths followed China's sudden end of COVID curbs, study says

 

We must keep in mind that vaccines are all about statistics. They're designed to work in the vast majority of cases, but there are exceptions, of course. As a matter of fact, statistics is one of the "filter courses" that make or break a medical student. And it's very important because of its direct relationship with the management of infectious diseases.

A vaccine used to mean dead or weakened virus molecules floating around in the blood. Today MRNA is being used to (hopefully) achieve much the same results, but to be sure it is rather much closer to being a kind of gene therapy than a vaccine proper. It also isn't as stable as traditional vaccines (which is saying a lot!). It only "does its work" for a relatively short period of time before it disassociates into a soup of amino acids.

But the biggest question is why certain MRNA treatments have lead to mysterious reactions such as myocarditis? Most likely it is due to the fact that MRNA "talks directly to the cell" whereas an old-style vaccine would have triggered a "normal" immune response (involving helper T-cells and the like). In the former case this might lead to unregulated cellular activity, pouring literally tens of thousands (even millions) of whatever protein complex it has been designed to make into organs that may be overburdened in, say, an already not-so-healthy person. This in turn can lead to unpredictable (and often adverse) reactions within various regions of the body.

In other words it is a wonderful technology.......when it works!

 

I’m not expert or knowledgeable in the area of MRNA abilities, however I think maybe there are some pre-existing health issues that are not accounted for, a friend of mine experienced a stroke he’s had 2 shots like me, we stopped getting them. Just saying underlying health issues are to blame not the vaccine, we both did Maderna.

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Massive conspiracies going on all over the place back then,
and most of them are well proven with hard evidence, not "theories".

The massive conspiracies were not hidden, they were accomplished with bullets and explosives, the hidden conspiracies were not massive, they involved only a few people.

The participation of the population was of the sort I described—a conspiracy of self-interest. Those not in the inner circle didn't know the machinations happening at that level, but those things didn't require the participation of thousands being knowingly deceptive that so many of the current conspiracy fantasies do.

I know of only two examples of amazing, large scale, successful conspiracies—and at least one of them was not exactly watertight even if it was successful.

The first was the Manhattan Project. Somehow, and thanks in no small part to the war footing that ensured by-and-large cooperation from the general public, a project of unprecedented scale—the design, construction, and operation of not just one but two nuclear material refining operations was completed without, it appears, compromise of the purpose or operational parameters of the plants—despite them being the largest machines built by humans up to that time.

The second was the construction in record time and in the most inhospitable region of the world of the DEW line by AT&T. This was a massive project but much more secret, in that it was much less visible, concerning the general public. When DoD chose AT&T is was because they were the only organization with the demonstrated ability to act on the scale of the project both technically and logistically.

The secretly staffed the project from AT&T and Western Electric personnel, and invented when necessary, designed, and built the massive array of radar stations across the Alaskan and Canadian frontier where there was often not even land to build on. This is an example of a successful conspiracy, but of course the remoteness of the activity and the cloistering of all involved for the duration helped.

The idea that more "selfish" and even evil conspiracies, depending on thousands of people to say and do the right things, and to keep everyone else in the dark, are even possible given the constraints of human society and behavior is just not tenable. My experience tells me the likelihood of such a thing being successfully executed is so small it is less likely than things people consider outright impossible.

Are they possible? Technically so—practically—I don't believe they are.

(It is important that it be made clear I am talking about those supposed conspiracies that have simpler explanations and require such convoluted networks of cooperation they are just not viable. This is in opposition to smaller conspiracies often incorporated into grand, impossible ones—or used as evidence of them.)

 

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-covid-vaccine-mandate-reversal/
Amid recruiting woes, Army sent letters to soldiers separated for vaccine refusal

 

An interesting study on having flu and Covid vaccines simultaneously:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/15/covid-flu-vaccine-same-time-study
It seems that the efficacy on both is improved, and the side effects are worse that just getting a flu vaccine but not as bad as just getting a Covid vaccine.

 

https://www.newsnationnow.com/health/cdc-no-alarm-spike-illness-china/

A spike in respiratory infections in children in China has caused alarm around the globe, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says there is no cause for concern.

China told the World Health Organization the spike is being caused by known viruses like the flu, COVID-19 and RSV and is not the result of a new pathogen.

CDC Director Mandy Cohen testified on Capital Hill that the agency has no reason to believe there is an unknown virus circulating.

“We do not believe this is a new or novel pathogen, we believe this is all existing, meaning COVID, flu, RSV, mycoplasma,” she said. “Chinese officials have shared with us that there is no novel pathogen. We were able to corroborate that information with other sources from our European Union partners and others to make sure we are getting the complete picture.”

 

https://www.newsnationnow.com/health/cdc-no-alarm-spike-illness-china/

Being wrong is not the same thing as a conspiracy. Of course people were wrong about many things early in the pandemic. Knowledge is cumulative. We didn’t know everything immediately, and statements that turned out to be false were not lies.

Somehow, the controllers of the conspiracy have to arrange things so the greed of conspirators at all levels doesn’t cause actions that will tend to destroy the intended conspiracy due to sub-conspiracies to increase personal profits.

Exactly. As the number of people trying to keep a secret increases, the likelihood that it is in someone’s self interest to spill it grows exponentially. I think keeping a secret becomes less than 50-50 at three people and gets much worse thereafter.

 

Being wrong is not the same thing as a conspiracy. Of course people were wrong about many things early in the pandemic. Knowledge is cumulative. We didn’t know everything immediately, and statements that turned out to be false were not lies.


Exactly. As the number of people trying to keep a secret increases, the likelihood that it is in someone’s self interest to spill it grows exponentially. I think keeping a secret becomes less than 50-50 at three people and gets much worse thereafter.

Exactly. The CDC is right on the money with actual evidence as we know it, today but that never stops a juicy conspiracy theory of some government cover-up, from nut-cases looking back, with perfect knowledge, of the past, to generate some BS story.

 

Quote from the link in post #53;
“We do not believe this is a new or novel pathogen, we believe this is all existing, meaning COVID, flu, RSV, mycoplasma,”

My question is why have we never heard, or at least I've never heard, of RSV? Did they discover it during Covid? I asked my doctor and she couldn't give an answer.

 

Quote from the link in post #53;
“We do not believe this is a new or novel pathogen, we believe this is all existing, meaning COVID, flu, RSV, mycoplasma,”

My question is why have we never heard, or at least I've never heard, of RSV? Did they discover it during Covid? I asked my doctor and she couldn't give an answer.

RSV was 'discovered' in the 50's as a virus, it's very common round the world in the young and elderly. IMO there is has a general lowering of US population immunity from several factors over the decades with the pandemic virus infection 'immunity gap' catching up from the last few years of lower exposure to common infections. All indications are this is normal and expected.

 

Massachusetts is showing an increase in COVID infections and deaths in the last month. From almost none to over 2,000 infections and 28 deaths. The state has changed their reporting of COVID deaths to only those related to confirmed COVID infections.

 

Massachusetts is showing an increase in COVID infections and deaths in the last month. From almost none to over 2,000 infections and 28 deaths. The state has changed their reporting of COVID deaths to only those related to confirmed COVID infections.

Yes, sadly old, likely sick people are dying from COVID infections instead of something else.

 

Massachusetts is showing an increase in COVID infections and deaths in the last month. From almost none to over 2,000 infections and 28 deaths. The state has changed their reporting of COVID deaths to only those related to confirmed COVID infections.

Who would have predicted that right around thanksgiving?

It is still lower than the week of Sept 17. Not sure why it peaked then.

I got when the cases were very low. Go fgure.