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ericgibbs

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Following years of declines in measles vaccination coverage, measles cases in 2022 have increased by 18%, and deaths have increased by 43% globally (compared to 2021). This takes the estimated number of measles cases to 9 million and deaths to 136 000 – mostly among children – according to a new report from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

https://www.who.int/news/item/16-11...passes-with-millions-of-children-unvaccinated
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Hi,

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Following years of declines in measles vaccination coverage, measles cases in 2022 have increased by 18%, and deaths have increased by 43% globally (compared to 2021). This takes the estimated number of measles cases to 9 million and deaths to 136 000 – mostly among children – according to a new report from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

https://www.who.int/news/item/16-11...passes-with-millions-of-children-unvaccinated
I'm not shocked this is happening. It was totally predictable and was predicted to happen.

The school (and the medical pipeline for routine vaccination) shutdowns due to COVID are likely a major driver IMO with measles and other vaccination coverage gaps and reductions. Locally, starting in 2020 kids vaccination requirements were either ignored, not checked or not needed during the long period of remote classrooms.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7723783/
Potential impact of COVID-19 pandemic on vaccination coverage in children: A case study of measles-containing vaccine administration in the United States (US)
Background
The COVID-19 pandemic and stay-at-home orders have caused an unprecedented decrease in the administration of routinely recommended vaccines. However, the impact of this decrease on overall vaccination coverage in a specific birth cohort is not known.
Methods
We projected measles vaccination coverage for the cohort of children becoming one year old in 2020 in the United States, for different durations of stay-at-home orders, along with varying catch-up vaccination efforts.
Results
A 15% sustained catch-up rate outside stay-at-home orders (compared to what would be expected via natality information) may be necessary to achieve projected vaccination coverage similar to previous years. Permanent decreases in vaccine administration could lead to projected vaccination coverage levels below 80%.
Conclusion
Modeling measles vaccination coverage under a range of scenarios provides useful information about the potential magnitude and impact of under-immunization. Sustained catch-up efforts are needed to assure that measles vaccination coverage remains high.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported a significant decrease in vaccination coverage rates in March and April 2020, following stay-at-home orders due to the COVID-19 pandemic [1], [2]. While the decreasing vaccination rates have been documented, the impact of stay-at-home orders on overall vaccination coverage is not yet known. A timely assessment of gaps in vaccination coverage can assist in understanding and communicating the urgency and magnitude of catch-up campaigns needed. Public health providers can use this information for planning and allocation of resources. As a result of this effort, infectious disease outbreaks might be anticipated and prevented. In the past, large measles outbreaks have occurred when vaccination coverage has declined to below 80% [3].
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e2.htm
Effects of the COVID-19 Pandemic on Routine Pediatric Vaccine Ordering and Administration — United States, 2020
Vaccine Tracking System data indicate a notable decrease in orders for VFC-funded, ACIP-recommended noninfluenza childhood vaccines and for measles-containing vaccines during period 2 compared with period 1 (Figure). The decline began the week after the national emergency declaration; similar declines in orders for other vaccines were also observed. VSD data show a corresponding decline in measles-containing vaccine administrations beginning the week of March 16, 2020. The decrease was less prominent among children aged ≤24 months than among older children (Figure). The subsequent increase in vaccine administrations observed in late March was more prominent in younger than older children.

The substantial reduction in VFC-funded pediatric vaccine ordering after the COVID-19 emergency declaration is consistent with changes in vaccine administration among children in the VSD population receiving care through eight large U.S. health care organizations. The smaller decline in measles-containing vaccine administration among children aged ≤24 months suggests that system-level strategies to prioritize well child care and immunization for this age group are being implemented. Increases in vaccine administration to children aged ≤24 months beginning in late March might reflect early success of strategies implemented by VSD health care organizations to promote childhood vaccinations in the context of the pandemic, including outreach to patients overdue for vaccinations and changing office workflows to minimize contact between patients (4). Assessment of state and local vaccination coverage is needed to quantify the impact among U.S. children of all ages and prioritize areas for intervention.
For a two-month spring 2020 stay-at-home order with a reduction in measles-containing vaccine administration by 50% (base-case), we estimated a decline in projected vaccination coverage for infants born in 2019 from 90% to 82% for the first dose of the measles-containing vaccine with no catch-up (Fig. 1). In scenarios with catch-up vaccination after stay-at-home orders are lifted, the projected vaccination coverage would increase to 85%, 88%, and 90% respectively, corresponding to a 5%, 10%, and 15% increase in the number of well-child visits over baseline for the remainder of the year.

In a scenario where voluntary social distancing or other concerns lead to persistent declines in well-child visits of 5%, 10% or 15% after stay-at-home orders are lifted, the annual projected vaccination coverage for this cohort rate would drop to 80% or below. Assuming declines in the vaccination rate similar to those observed in Spring 2020 for a second Fall 2020 stay-at-home order, the projected vaccination coverage could decrease below 75%, if there are ongoing decreases in vaccine administration between stay-at-home orders. In this case, catch-up vaccination up to 15% above well-child visits expected would be insufficient to achieve 90% coverage, which was the level of vaccination coverage for the first dose of measles-containing vaccine in previous years.
The negative consequence of those IMO unnecessary long school closings will be with us for decades. Instead of blaming unvaccinated international refugees, let's look at the damage overzealous (not backed by science) restrictions did to this country and the world in general.
 
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Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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The negative consequence of those IMO unnecessary long school closings will be with us for decades. Instead of blaming unvaccinated international refugees, let's look at the damage overzealous (not backed by science) restrictions did to this country and the world in general.
You have my vote! As mentioned when we saw the 1968 and 1969 Pandemic it took between 1 and 4 million lives. We did not shut down the country and hand out bailouts we couldn't afford.

Ron
 

nsaspook

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BobTPH

Joined Jun 5, 2013
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You have my vote! As mentioned when we saw the 1968 and 1969 Pandemic it took between 1 and 4 million lives. We did not shut down the country and hand out bailouts we couldn't afford.

Ron
Nonsense. From the Wikipedia article on the Hong King Flu pandemic if 1968-9:

The United States health authorities estimated that about 34,000[110][111] to 100,000[109]
Compare to Covid, which has killed 1.2 million in the US. And far more mitigation was applied in the later case. Without the precautions that were taken, we would have had twice the deaths. I really can’t understand why so many people are ridiculing policies that saved millions of live in the US alone.

As to the financial effects, please explain why the US has recovered far better than any other G20 country if those policies are so bad.
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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OK I should have said "globally". Point being during that pandemic there was no thought to shutting the country down. People forced to lose their jobs or get a vaccination they did not want. How many of those 1.2 million US deaths were actually COVID? Death certificates were hot stamped daily. NYC for example where 3700 dead in a day never tested and presumed COVID. Numbers were inflated everywhere. I never saw fear run so rampant. Government induced fear at that. Now today COVID is a few clicks above the common cold. Amazing how this played out. Like I said, a great performance by attention whores.

Ron
 

nsaspook

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I'm sort of in the middle on deaths. Most of those early deaths (2020) were directly caused (death was undoubtedly accelerated and precipitated) by COVID rampaging in elderly care, retirement and assisted living communities
but as the pandemic progressed there was also increasing abuse of ‘with’ COVID-19 (as the immediate cause vs contributing condition) in death reports in younger people with other comorbidities that are major risk factors for severe illness or death from any serious disease.
And then there were the smaller numbers of those unvaccinated, per their own choice, that died. They took the gamble and lost.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7539724/
Dying ‘due to’ or ‘with’ COVID-19: a cause of death analysis in hospitalised patients

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Weekly deaths ‘due to’ compared to ‘with’ COVID-19 in in Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust.

Even in this early chart you can see 'the with' percentage increasing. I personally think the totals today are undercounts but that's really a separate issue from the IMO overzealous restrictions on important medically related issues of vaccinations, basic services like dental visits, preventive medical care and visitation rights to those dying or even spouses (that most of the time live in the same house) during births.

It was crazy.
 

nsaspook

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The 4 kids with measles go to school and go shopping. In a few days thousands of unvaccinated kids will have The Measles.
Exactly, that's why it wasn't very smart to shutdown the school MMR vaccination system for almost two school years in some states.

https://www.cp24.com/lifestyle/doct...to-date-as-they-head-back-to-school-1.6543242
Doctors urge parents to ensure kids' vaccines up to date as they head back to school
"What happened with COVID basically is that everybody got behind on a lot of preventative options," said Dr. Vivien Brown, a Toronto family doctor and advocate with Immunize Canada.

"They were postponed due to the seriousness of COVID and the public health focus on COVID as opposed to on school-based vaccines."
Childhood vaccination rates plummeted after school campuses closed in March 2020 because of Covid-19 concerns. In the more than two years since, the number of children who have all the required vaccinations to attend school has increased, but not to pre-pandemic levels. In the beginning of the 2019-20 school year 94.3% of prospective kindergartners had all the vaccines required to begin school. In April 2020, childhood immunizations fell 40% over the same month the previous year.

Over the next two years, some parents, fearful of exposing their children to Covid, skipped child wellness appointments where vaccinations are often given, said Catherine Flores Martin, executive director of the California Immunization Coalition. Some children received Covid vaccinations at pharmacies or clinics where technicians did not check to see if they needed other vaccinations, she said.
https://edsource.org/2022/thousands-without-childhood-vaccinations-unable-to-return-to-school/677507
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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The 4 kids with measles go to school and go shopping. In a few days thousands of unvaccinated kids will have The Measles.
That would be the fault of who? I think your estimate of 4 to thousands is stretching things a little. Anyway, unvaccinated kids would be the fault of who? Doesn't the school system require kids be vaccinated just to be registered in school? I thing a few days and thousands in slightly stretching things. Where do you get your numbers from?

Ron
 

nsaspook

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The world owes a debt of gratitude, at the very least, to Africa for the end of the COVID pandemic. Omicron is so infectious it pushed out all of the more deadly mutations. while being much milder without total vaccine escape. The horrible predictions of a COVID african plague never happened there even with low levels of vaccination. Instead, it seems the virus hit a tall wall it could only climb by evolving in ways that reduced severity to gain transmissibility.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN26K0AH/
Puzzled scientists seek reasons behind Africa's low fatality rates from pandemic
For Sam Agatre Okuonzi, from the Arua Regional Referral Hospital in Uganda, the doomsday predictions were informed by entrenched prejudices, including that the continent is prone to disease.
"COVID-19 has shattered a lot of biases about disease in general but also about Africa," he told Thursday's briefing. "The severity of the pandemic has not played out in line with the outrageous predictions."
https://www.businessinsider.com/omicron-coronavirus-variant-cases-mild-south-africa-2021-11
Chair of South African Medical Association says Omicron cases are mild so far, but it's too soon to determine the risk of severe disease
Nov 26, 2021, 5:49 PM PST
"It may be it's highly transmissible, but so far the cases we are seeing are extremely mild," Angelique Coetzee, chair of the South African Medical Association, told The Guardian on Friday. "Maybe two weeks from now I will have a different opinion, but this is what we are seeing."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-south-africa-turning-point/
South Africa is over Omicron, and their good news may be a harbinger of hope for the U.S.
Johannesburg — Only eight weeks after the world first heard about the Omicron variant of the coronavirus, when researchers in South Africa who discovered the strain notified global authorities, that country's wave of infections has fallen as sharply as it climbed. Not only that, but South Africa has weathered its fourth wave of COVID-19 with very little interruption to people's lives.

CBS News foreign correspondent Debora Patta reports that in the suburbs of Johannesburg, restaurants are busy again, traffic is jammed, and the city is bustling.

Omicron quickly became the focus of global anxiety as infections spread across South Africa with ferocious speed. Within days, the country was at the epicenter of the pandemic. And then… well, not much happened at all.
But Madhi and other scientists in South Africa still struggle to understand their foreign peers' reluctance to learn from the country's experience — especially given the extensive vaccine rollout in the U.S. and Europe and the firm belief that the vaccines do offer good protection against severe illness and death, and have done so with all the variants to emerge thus far.

South Africa is not alone, either. In Britain, too, there are signs that the Omicron wave — which hit just as fast as it did in South Africa — is ebbing, with infections falling sharply in recent days and no precipitous spike in deaths attributed to the Omicron wave. Scientists are optimistic that soon, COVID-19 may be referred to as an endemic disease in Britain, rather than an epidemic.
 

Audioguru again

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Here comes lots of Measles infections. It is not just a little rash, it kills people.
Because of old high rates of vaccinations, Microsoft and TV station Newscasts say, "Canada got rid of Measles". But today, doctors in hospitals all over the world see many serious new cases and say it is because many people are not getting vaccinated.
 

nsaspook

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https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24495557/fda-stipulation-of-dismissal.pdf
Pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 41(a)(1)(A)(ii), Plaintiffs Robert L. Apter; Mary Talley Bowden; and Paul E. Marik,1 and Defendants U.S. Department of Health and Human Services; Xavier Becerra, in his official capacity as Secretary of Health and Human Services; U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA); and Robert M. Califf, in his official capacity as Commissioner of Food and Drugs, stipulate to the dismissal with prejudice of all claims in the abovecaptioned case because the parties have reached a settlement. In exchange for Plaintiffs’ agreement to dismiss all claims in this case, Defendants agree to, within 21 calendar days:

Retire FDA’s Consumer Update entitled, Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19, originally posted on March 5, 2021, and revised on September 7, 2021 (ECF No. 12, Ex. 1), while retaining the right to post a revised Consumer Update.  Delete and not republish (1) FDA’s Twitter, LinkedIn, and Facebook posts from August 21, 2021 (ECF No. 12, Exs. 4, 5), that read, “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”; (2) FDA’s Instagram post from August 21, 2021 (ECF No. 12, Ex. 6), that reads, “You are not a horse. Stop it with the #ivermectin. It’s not authorized for treating #COVID.”; (3) FDA’s Twitter post from April 26, 2022 (ECF No. 12, Ex. 7), that reads, “Hold your horses, y’all. Ivermectin may be trending, but it still isn’t authorized or approved to treat COVID-19.”; and (4) all other social media posts on FDA accounts that link to Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19 (ECF No. 12, Ex. 1).
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/27/health/fda-ivermectin-lawsuit/index.html
FDA settles lawsuit over ivermectin content that doctors claimed harmed their practice

IMO it's clear the drug didn't work as a COVID treatment but in general, per the FDA
Health care professionals generally may choose to prescribe an approved human drug for an unapproved use when they judge that the unapproved use is medically appropriate for an individual patient.
Looks like they settled because while "The agency has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19.", the agency has authorized or approved ivermectin for human use.
 

cmartinez

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https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24495557/fda-stipulation-of-dismissal.pdf


https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/27/health/fda-ivermectin-lawsuit/index.html
FDA settles lawsuit over ivermectin content that doctors claimed harmed their practice

IMO it's clear the drug didn't work as a COVID treatment but in general, per the FDA


Looks like they settled because while "The agency has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19.", the agency has authorized or approved ivermectin for human use.
I read somewhere that prolonged use of Ivermectin lead to reported loss of fertility in male population
 

SamR

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Apparently, President Biden forgot to wear his while shaking the hands of the great unwashed masses... And then wash his hands after!
 
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