"Mouthwash can kill coronavirus". And yet, these politicians are not blamed for spreading misinformation. Only scientists are stifled for telling the truth. Of course, this pandemic was convenient for the opportunists and leeches, and inconvenient for everyone else. In fact, it is just a motto for imposing more control worldwide.

 

Gargle? Mouthwash? This has been a long standing home remedy to lower viral load and try to "catch" the infection early and prevent it from going further and spreading. Salt gargle has been known to work for flu. It is used on old world along with other rwmwdies than seem to be shunned in the west but have been known to work for ages.

Here is some science:

"Gargle formulations with cetylperidinium chloride, chlorhexidine and hexetidine have great potential in reducing SAR-CoV-2 at the source of entry into the body, thus minimizing risk of transmission of COVID-19."

From: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-99866-w

There is currently a large trial running till some time in 2022.

Science is not reaponsible for uneducated people misreading these.

Mouthwash kills coronavirus in a lab setting. This has been replocates many times. Please blame the education system if majority of the population then thinks that if they start drinking it, they will be safe. Controlling apeach will not help anyone.

 

So now I see the possibility of yet a 4rh shot. We started with two as the answer. Then comes the booster and now? Starting to wonder if anyone in charge actually has a clue? It's like a game where the rules change every move.

Ron

 

So now I see the possibility of yet a 4rh shot. We started with two as the answer. Then comes the booster and now? Starting to wonder if anyone in charge actually has a clue? It's like a game where the rules change every move.

Ron

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So, the fact that everyone needs a flu shot every year also is changing the rules. Obviously, the medical community doesn’t have a clue.

Or possibly, it’s not the rules that are changing, but the virus? Maybe? Blame the medical community for the challenge they are facing. That’s a sound strategy. As Bill Cosby said, “Right!!!”

 

Flu shot? This is the first one I have had, and that was just to keep the government off my back.

The pharmaceutical companies have deep pockets and since Omicron is can possible to end the pandemic and kill the pharma and other profits from this, they will be driving hard to kill off Omicron before it kills their lucrative profits.

 

So now I see the possibility of yet a 4rh shot. We started with two as the answer. Then comes the booster and now? Starting to wonder if anyone in charge actually has a clue? It's like a game where the rules change every move.

Ron

I'm unlikely to get a 4th shot of the same 1st generation vaccine formulation simply because of diminishing returns. With 3 shots already I'm pretty confident in riding out the coming Omicron wave that will provide risky natural immunity for those not vaccinated and with much less risk naturally boost those that already have vaccine induced immunity. If the mildness of omicron over delta continues this might be natures gift to exit the pandemic phase.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/10/omi...r-states-as-it-takes-root-across-the-us-.html

Several southern U.S. states, including Texas, Georgia, Louisiana and Florida, have confirmed cases of the omicron Covid-19 variant as the highly mutated strain takes root in half of all U.S. states.

 

The total number of Virons (virus strands) in an infected person is estimated to be somewhere between 1B and 100B pieces. The total mass of 100B virons is near 0.1mg.
based on global published data on number of infected people, the total amount of virus is between 100g and 10kg.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/25/e2024815118

 

Flu shot? This is the first one I have had, and that was just to keep the government off my back.

The pharmaceutical companies have deep pockets and since Omicron is can possible to end the pandemic and kill the pharma and other profits from this, they will be driving hard to kill off Omicron before it kills their lucrative profits.

The only time I ever had a flu shot was 2 weeks in starting my job at the hospital when I was confronted by people basically ushering me to get the needle or face the consequences. I did not know better that there were no consequences other than wearing a mask.

There are still conflicting studies as to the benefits of flu vacconation programs vs other measures that are not being taken because of this silo approach. Coronavirus pandemic is the same story. Those who bought into it are interested into defending the path at all cost.

 

Not a antit-vaxx statement but I never get flu shots. People should get the COVID-19 vaccine if they normally don't get the flu shot because the increased risk of sickness and death from COVID-19 is a documented fact with hordes of scientific evidence of much increased risk for older people.

 

Not a antit-vaxx statement but I never get flu shots. People should get the COVID-19 vaccine if they normally don't get the flu shot because the increased risk of sickness and death from COVID-19 is a documented fact with hordes of scientific evidence of much increased risk for older people.

Paid time off and adequate staffing levels would go a long way to prevent disease transmission as well as many other problems. Other issues are things such as inadequate ventilation in buildings. What I see first hand is noone is willing to plan and budget for prevention but there is always money flowing once the crisis hits. It appears to be because once the bill comes, others will be in charge?

 

Paid time off and adequate staffing levels would go a long way to prevent disease transmission as well as many other problems. Other issues are things such as inadequate ventilation in buildings. What I see first hand is noone is willing to plan and budget for prevention but there is always money flowing once the crisis hits. It appears to be because once the bill comes, others will be in charge?

I've been talking about ventilation since the beginning. Closed (little fresh air) system Indoor heating and cooling of air seems to be a major factor in seasonal cycles. I've worked in class 100 and below clean-rooms for 30+ years so it was obvious that HVAC is a major factor in the reduction of indoor air-borne contaminants of any type including virus sized objects. As the rebreathed air fraction goes up, the risk of infection goes up.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...s-pandemic-ventilation-rethinking-air/620000/

 

Omicron is tough.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news...does-not-protect-against-omicron-sheba-688496

The neutralizing ability of even three shots of the Pfizer corona vaccine is four times less against the Omicron than the Delta variant, according to researchers at Sheba Medical Center.

The team looked at the ability of serums of 40 vaccinated healthcare workers at Sheba to neutralize the Omicron variant – 20 who received the booster shot within the last month, and 20 who had only received two shots, the last one five or six months ago.

In response to these studies, Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis, head of Public Health Services, said in an interview with N12 Saturday night that the ministry is considering asking people to get their third dose as soon as three months after the second.

Get that 3rd shot ASAP.

 

I had my third shot three days ago. Now when they say I need a 4th I will get that.

 

I had originally received the Jansen:Johnson & Johnson vaccine. I just got a Moderna booster shot.

Zero side effects with the J&J. However, the Moderna booster knocked me on my butt. The day after, I was fatigued. In fact, I was awake only five hours that day. I slept for 14 hours. Was awake for five and fell asleep in my chair. Woke and got into bed and slept for another 14 hours!

 

Paid time off and adequate staffing levels would go a long way to prevent disease transmission as well as many other problems. Other issues are things such as inadequate ventilation in buildings. What I see first hand is noone is willing to plan and budget for prevention but there is always money flowing once the crisis hits. It appears to be because once the bill comes, others will be in charge?

Great theory but,
1) many people are infected and transmitting the virus before they feel symptoms.
2) we don't have enough employees to do the bare minimum of work today - how do you propose we find enough to raise staffing levels to your definition of "adiquate" levels?
3) if we don't have enough people to staff many basic jobs, where will we get people to retrofit buildings to resolve "inadequate ventilation in buildings"?
4) We can't get businesses to enforce any mandates, how would you propose that businesses are forced to retrofit buildings with improved ventilation and who would pay for it? How many decades would it take?
5) where would we get all the extra fuel to power the increased heating and cooling demand caused by increased ventilation?

If your going to push mandates, a vaccine mandate would be faster, cheaper and more effective.

Also, please no replies with ventilation mandates that "should have been" in the past, because the past is over and the problem of coronavirus is still ahead of us.

 

Past and past inaction to address infrustracture issues as well as everpresent staffing issues is actually very important in this context as it is because of past inaction that we are in this situation. If you dont want to look at it, you are not going to have much luck moving forward.

I have not seen anyone ask the question as to WHY we have all these issue. It is not because of covid.

 

Gargle? Mouthwash? This has been a long standing home remedy to lower viral load and try to "catch" the infection early and prevent it from going further and spreading.

It may kill it in the mouth for the time the mouthwash is there. but once you spit it out? This virus from what I understand lives and replicates in the lungs mainly so when you breath or talk after the, "minty fresh feeling" is gone how much virus killing is there?

So I'm late answering, was away for a couple of days.

 

Mouthwash has zero effect, as far as I'm concerned. It is BS invented by politicians, as usual. This is evidence that politics is poison, because we have ignorant politicians that have no life experience and never had a hard day of work in their lives, saying stupid things like that and then taking even more drastic measures to control people.

 

Drastic measures are necessary because some people do not understand that the vaccines are safe and effective.
Drastic measures such as mandates only affect unvaccinated people (super spreaders) to prevent them from gathering with healthy vaccinated people.
Masks are not drastic, instead they are plain common sense.

 

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So, the fact that everyone needs a flu shot every year also is changing the rules. Obviously, the medical community doesn’t have a clue.

Or possibly, it’s not the rules that are changing, but the virus? Maybe? Blame the medical community for the challenge they are facing. That’s a sound strategy. As Bill Cosby said, “Right!!!”

My point was do not release information unless they are sure of it. I am not saying they are not doing a very challenging task, I am saying try waiting until you have a good solid workable final draft. Changing the rules constantly just causes many people to lose faith in what the medical community in general is saying. I also am not saying don't get a flu shot every year but at least with a simple flu shot the medical community admits it's a crap shoot as to the vaccine and the strain which may run. Meanwhile some people are becoming very wealthy off this entire affair.

Ron