Most professionals believe that the Covid-19 virus came from the Wuhan part of China where the people buy live bats and snakes to eat for dinner. Then airline passengers spread the virus all over the world where it mutated into the variants.
Then came the UK variant followed by the Delta variant from India. Now the Delta Plus variant from India is spreading around.

Who cares where the variant comes from? That is probably why they call them with the Greek alphabet instead of where they guess it came from.

 

Most professionals believe that the Covid-19 virus came from the Wuhan part of China where the people buy live bats and snakes to eat for dinner.

In Italy people buy live chickens to eat for dinner. While I doubt the USDA or Canadian equivalent would approve it's a moot point and while there is heavy suspicions about the origin of the virus nothing has come out as sustainable concrete proof of accusations. The reality is that it is here. Initially we were told by so called experts that vaccinated people would neither contract or spread the virus. Well like most expert opinions it was just that, opinion and wrong. Have you ever had rattlesnake? Not bad eating and it taste like chicken. You clearly stated the variant came from India and now it's who cares? Well I figure if the original came from China then China should be held accountable and if the variant came from India then India held accountable. Who cares? I care and unless I can back something up I figure it's better to keep my mouth shut.

Ron

 

WebMD (https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-history) has backup about where Covid-19 came from. They say from (live?) bats sold in Wuhan's Wet Market, and it is similar to the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome virus.

I doubt a lawsuit to China or to India will work. Lawsuits about people's "rights" vs mandates also are shot down.

 

How many Covid-19 deaths would have been prevented if they got vaccinated??

 

Spanish flu was eventually traced to Kansas.

Patient zero would not have been at Wuhan. Virus would have had to circulate in humans prior to causing an outbreak of such magnitude.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...fbbf9e-d560-11eb-b39f-05a2d776b1f4_story.html

If you are pro vaccine, you should advocate that Canada sends its shots they are planning to give to children and adults as boosters to countries that have almost none vaccinated due to lack of access. It will due wonders to prevent further mutations.

 

In Italy people buy live chickens to eat for dinner. While I doubt the USDA or Canadian equivalent would approve it's a moot point and while there is heavy suspicions about the origin of the virus nothing has come out as sustainable concrete proof of accusations. The reality is that it is here. Initially we were told by so called experts that vaccinated people would neither contract or spread the virus. Well like most expert opinions it was just that, opinion and wrong. Have you ever had rattlesnake? Not bad eating and it taste like chicken. You clearly stated the variant came from India and now it's who cares? Well I figure if the original came from China then China should be held accountable and if the variant came from India then India held accountable. Who cares? I care and unless I can back something up I figure it's better to keep my mouth shut.

Ron

The original version of the virus from China called 'alpha' was what the vaccines were tested on. The vaccines did create antibodies to neutralize the original 'alpha' virus so it stopped transmission from the vaccinated. Later variants of 'alpha' called 'delta' mutated in India. Delta has the ability to escape the neutralizing antibodies of the original vaccines as they wane over time. This let's the virus use the vaccinated as hosts (the vast majority of vaxx'd hosts have no or mild symtoms from this infection) until the bodies trained defenses regenerate specific antibodies to clear the virus again. Boosters are being used to simulate a secondary infection causing the neutralizing antibodies to be recreated to stop transmission from a vaxx'd host.

https://www.gisaid.org/
https://www.gisaid.org/phylodynamics/global/nextstrain/

 

Hi,
As the world human population grows, together with the high speeds we can travel by air around the globe and also global warming, I would say the human race in for some very nasty pandemics in the next decade or so.

We should be searching for ways to mitigate these out breaks, rather than running around blaming other countries for the root cause.

Just check this link listing outbreaks over the last 40 years or so, we have been 'lucky' so far, but that luck could run out very soon.

We all share the same lifeboat, this planet, so we must learn to cooperate or suffer the consequences.

E

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7765415/

 

Spanish flu was eventually traced to Kansas.

Patient zero would not have been at Wuhan. Virus would have had to circulate in humans prior to causing an outbreak of such magnitude.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...fbbf9e-d560-11eb-b39f-05a2d776b1f4_story.html

If you are pro vaccine, you should advocate that Canada sends its shots they are planning to give to children and adults as boosters to countries that have almost none vaccinated due to lack of access. It will due wonders to prevent further mutations.

Boosters are important for adults to control community transmission but vaccinating children is less effective in reducing cases of the virus in general. Vacinating older adults is more effective in reducing sickness and death vs giving the same shot to a child. We have a vaccine surplus in the USA, so here, the under 12 vaccination likely won't make much difference in case trends.

 

In about one month I get my 3rd Covid-19 vaccination. It will be Pfizer MRNA which is not live.
Today I booked a flu shot. I am getting the not-live vaccination because I am too old to get the live but weakened nasal spray used on younger people.

 

Ontario will not be going with mandatory vaccines for healthcare workers and Quebec will remove theirs after seeing what happened in BC.

You see a loss of 1 nurse in a hospital that has already been short staffed for years will cause an OR closure. There are NO plans to ensure that this does not happen.

PHO and minister of health in our province are completely ignoring underserviced areas where hospital services are closing in smaller towns. They have been dropping like flies for years due to staffing issues.

Another good one is exempting remote communities from needing a vaccine to travel. They are talking about "fly" in communities only. Well, i live in a town of 12000 and if you do not have a car, it is also only accessible by a plane. Many here do not have vehicles or even a drivers license.

Now talking about "choice", many seem to maintain that people have a freedom to choose to get vaccinated or not when they are told that based on their decision they will lose their job and ability to move about their own country. That is an interesting viewpoint.

Once a wall is hit (over 87% are vaccinated in BC), the current policies of mandates are more damaging than the virus.

 

https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...aid-medicare-7e557ccd17e9fb67674648793defcbe9

Millions of U.S. workers now have a Jan 4. deadline to get a COVID vaccine.

The federal government on Thursday announced new vaccine requirements for workers at companies with more than 100 employees as well as for workers at health care facilities that treat Medicare and Medicaid patients. It also extended a deadline for federal contractors.

The FED mandate has been pushed into next year, after the holidays.

 

If I need to be treated for something in a hospital then I want to choose a vaccinated nurse, certainly not an antivaxer.
The same for getting a plumber or getting my car tire fixed.

 

If I need to be treated for something in a hospital then I want to choose a vaccinated nurse, certainly not an antivaxer.
The same for getting a plumber or getting my car tire fixed.

I would guess that would be between you and your provider. I am sure if they want your business they will be happy to comply with your wishes.

Funny you should say that. Last year on October 9th I was out cruising on a real nice bike ride. It was an absolutely beautiful day in the mid 70s degrees F. I foolishly took my attention off the raod and when I looked back all I saw was brake lights. I braked hard and bike went into a broad slide before coming down on top of me. Great, I had about 950 Lbs of motorcycle on top of me and talk about pain. Thank God for two nurses who happened on the scene and held my hand and two young men who lifted the bike off of me. The ride in the ambulance was painful but they got me to a Type 1 Trauma ER. Rest assured the last thing on my mind was if those administering care to me were vaccinated. With 5 broken ribs poking my lung and a smashed ankle I really did not care who was giving me a morphine push in my IV. Selecting a plumber or automotive mechanism we have the luxury of choice. When admitted to an ER, not so much. So you lay there and die, me I will accept first available.

While waiting on your vaccinated nurse you may want to enquire as to a vaccinated funeral director just in case things do not quite go well if you have to wait.

P.S. Something else comes to mind. Hospitals always have visiting clergy. If you are Catholic you may wish to be sure that the priest has been vaccinated before administering last rights. That is very important.

Ron

 

 

As I already mentioned, smaller hospitals in rural BC are suffering the most.

There have been lab closures, huge waitlists for xray services and OR closures for "elective" surgery which simply means "non-emergency". Elective does not mean "cosmetic". Biopsies are elective surgeries. A postponed biopsy is a difference between life and death. Would you like to find out that you need a biopsy for your lump, but you will not get one for 6 months?

The PHO and ministry of health are making political decisions and shifting blame for their inability to manage healthcare overall to individuals who have nothing to do with it.

If you are in Ontario, since there is no vaccine mandate, perhaps health authority that you are in will implement their own. They are free to do that.

As an aside, it looks like the hospital will be hiring a security contractor as now all visitora are supposed to be vaccinated, but there are exceptions. Except the exceptions are unclear so it is going to be a disaster.

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...ots-to-people-70-and-older-wont-be-mandatory/

The province cannot afford to maintain its tough line, Mr. Dubé said, since going ahead with the requirement would have involved hundreds of service cuts across Quebec’s health network. The unvaccinated will now face COVID-19 testing three times a week instead, with unpaid suspensions for those who refuse. New hires will still face the vaccine requirement.

Giving up on mandatory vaccination for existing staff was the “least bad” decision available, the minister added. “It’s not a decision that we like making.”

“This is a complex issue. But when the impact of the potential departure of tens of thousands of health care workers is weighed against the small number of outbreaks that are currently active in Ontario’s hospitals, I am not prepared to jeopardize the delivery of care to millions of Ontarians,” he said in a statement.

“Having looked at the evidence, our government has decided to maintain its flexible approach by leaving human-resourcing decisions up to individual hospitals.”

Glad to see that common sense still exists in Canadian government.

 

If a hospital mandate bans antivax medical people then why doesn't it also ban antivax patients?
Then the hospital will not be full of antivax patients with severe virus problems and ordinary hospital treatments and surgeries can continue like before.

I know, a few fully vaccinated people also need hospital care probably because they have other problems. But their vaccinations will keep the virus symptoms minor.

 

If a hospital mandate bans antivax medical people then why doesn't it also ban antivax patients?
Then the hospital will not be full of antivax patients with severe virus problems and ordinary hospital treatments and surgeries can continue like before.

I know, a few fully vaccinated people also need hospital care probably because they have other problems. But their vaccinations will keep the virus symptoms minor.

Let me see if I have this right. Who funds the hospital? That would be the government right? Where does the government get the money to fund your so called by you "free medical"? That would be from the tax paying public right? So you are saying the tax paying public should not be treated equally and the government should discriminate against those who refuse vaccination but have contributed to the system? That what you are saying? That your fellow countrymen who funded the system as much or more than you did should be refused medical treatment?

Ron

 

Let me see if I have this right. Who funds the hospital? That would be the government right? Where does the government get the money to fund your so called by you "free medical"? That would be from the tax paying public right? So you are saying the tax paying public should not be treated equally and the government should discriminate against those who refuse vaccination but have contributed to the system? That what you are saying? That your fellow countrymen who funded the system as much or more than you did should be refused medical treatment?

Ron

Government is already discriminating by denying people who were dismissed for refusing vaccine their EI benefits. Apparently claim is if you are in a union it is a labor relations issue and if you are not than it is a rightful dismissal as you are at your employers mercy? So far few cases in court, but none of this sits right and the vaccine mandates certainly do not follow any established science that I know. Political science perhaps. Notice how the governments everywhere have offloaded enforcement on individual entities with little guidance.

A little on the unions - latest update from mine was in september. Usual non information, blah blah about how they will work with employers to make sure there are no negative impacts. But I was surprised to find out last week through a newspaper that I, as a memeber, support the ongoing mandates. I want my union dues back.

 

If a hospital mandate bans antivax medical people then why doesn't it also ban antivax patients?

That could be signing the death warrants of those with severe symptoms. Is that what you advocate?