Do you really expect the 30% will believe such thing? ^

I don't care.

 

The latest case counts show that about 30% are with vaccinated people. They should continue to say that they are with mild minor symptoms and that most of the unvaccinated cases are with severe illness, are hospitalized and need tubes stuck in them for life support. Many survivors end up in a wheelchair breathing oxygen from a tank.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...-have-a-clue-about-where-sars-cov-2-is-headed

"Eventually everyone will be exposed to SARS-CoV-2," says Dr. Abraar Karan, who's an infectious disease specialist at Stanford University. "It's a matter of whether you're exposed when you're fully vaccinated or when you're not vaccinated."

On the surface, these findings sound like horrible news. It sounds like the COVID-19 pandemic — along with the masks, physical distancing and quarantining — will never go away.

But Karan doesn't believe that will be the case. Although he predicts that SARS-CoV-2 will circulate in the U.S. indefinitely, he says that COVID-19, the dreadful disease, as we now know it, will likely go away.

"When you're fully vaccinated [or been exposed several times], you're dealing with a very, very different disease and a very different process," Karan says. In fact, you're likely dealing with a disease that many of us have already had, perhaps dozens of times, in our lifetimes.

 

Of course the Covid-19 virus is a completely different disease to vaccinated people. Not many vaccinated people catch the virus and Its symptoms are very mild. Maybe I have had the virus and did not know it. I am waiting for the booster shot for old people like me to keep the symptoms minor. Hey! I am also due for a flu shot.

 

The latest case counts show that about 30% are with vaccinated people. They should continue to say that they are with mild minor symptoms and that most of the unvaccinated cases are with severe illness, are hospitalized and need tubes stuck in them for life support. Many survivors end up in a wheelchair breathing oxygen from a tank.

Surely you yearn to understand the actual science. Well if so then why do you simply waive the hard questions away so readily?

Moreover as Carl Sagan puts it:

"Who is running the science and technology in a democracy if the people don't know anything about it?"

We now live in a day and age where the right to openly discuss important issues is so often derided and even forbidden outright (either directly or by proxy). Well how can we possibly derive ANY accurate conclusions with such asinine constraints? Shutting down the discussion doesn't help ANYONE!

 

Surely you yearn to understand the actual science. Well if so then why do you simply waive the hard questions away so readily?

Moreover as Carl Sagan puts it:

We now live in a day and age where the right to openly discuss important issues is so often derided and even forbidden outright (either directly or by proxy). Well how can we possibly derive ANY accurate conclusions with such asinine constraints? Shutting down the discussion doesn't help ANYONE!

Martyrdom is often the result of excessive gullibility.


Actual science requires evidence or at least a scientifically based hypothesis. The constriants are pretty loose beyond 'you can't just make stuff up'.

 

Martyrdom is often the result of excessive gullibility.

And I will most certainly speak up on your behalf if ever some mob comes around with the pitchforks. Well it isn't YOUR fault that you were born so gullible!

Actual science requires evidence or at least a scientifically based hypothesis. The constriants are pretty loose beyond 'you can't just make stuff up'.

Unfortunately the fact is almost every single publication these days is fraught with the shady influence of various special interest groups. And unless and until that changes academia will continue to be eroded. If you fail to see that all I can say is that you must be choosing to be deluded. Because it's been covered just about everywhere (though maybe not on CNN or Fox). In my humble opinion only a fool or shill would seriously ignore such compelling questions quite honestly...

 

Things are looking better this year because of immunity, mainly from vaccination.
https://www.voanews.com/a/as-us-cov...en-brings-more-fun-and-less-fear/6291027.html

Witches and warlocks, ghosts and ghouls can breathe a little easier this year: Coronavirus cases in the U.S. are on the decline, and trick-or-treaters can feel safer collecting candy.
And while a new poll indicates Halloween participation is rebounding but still short of pre-pandemic levels, an industry trade group says people who are celebrating are driving record-level spooky spending this year.
Sales of candy, costumes and décor are up at least 25% over last year and are predicted to set a new high, between $10 to $11 billion, said Aneisha McMillan, spokeswoman for the trade group Halloween and Costume Association.
"People are really getting the Halloween spirit," she said.

Though the pandemic is still a worry, outdoor activities like trick-or-treating have gotten the thumbs up from Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's top infectious diseases expert, and Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Experts advise people to keep sanitizer and masks handy and continue to steer clear of crowded, poorly ventilated spaces, however.

Most of us have have moved on from worrying about shady conspiracy theories, leaving that domain for others.



https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-five-universal-laws-of-human-stupidity

 

I wonder why the doctors on the news do not say how many thousands of vaccinated people turned into magnets?
Instead the doctors say, "Get vaccinated and quickly end this pandemic before the next variant comes".

 

Thinking about all of this pandemic. This years Halloween our count was way down again but overall as far as mine and my wife's lifestyle not much has changed. At the peak we did fewer dinners out but only because there was no place to go with restaurants being shut down. Many local really good places couldn't weather the storm. Our overall shopping habits have not changed and after shutting down a country there is the expected inflation but not enough to really bother us. Looking forward to the holidays but spending will be about the same as previous years so nothing new there. I guess being retired has its merits. I do feel bad for people in small business who lost it all. Anyway as to a direct impact on our lives? Not much to speak of.

Numbers are down and continue to drop. This is especially true of hospitalizations and ICU care.

Ron

 

As of 2 weeks ago unvaccinated staff can no longer work in long term care. Unvaccinated visitors are also not allowed.

Booster program was rolled out across the province over the month of October.

Outbreaks continue to happen

https://vancouversun.com/news/local...-term-care-homes-as-booster-program-nears-end

The articles makes sure to blame the unvaccinated for these outbreaks.

What is baffling is why rapid testing is not implemented in high risk settings. Too common sense for the government?

 

Seems about now NYC (New York City) is facing issues with Fire and Police with regard to vaccine mandates. Wonder how this will play out?

Ron

 

Seems about now NYC (New York City) is facing issues with Fire and Police with regard to vaccine mandates. Wonder how this will play out?

Ron

It's the same old ~30%. But is heading down to more like~20%

 

It's the same old ~30%. But is heading down to more like~20%

Yes and this is what happens when the US Government decides to mandate things and forces employers to mandate things. While I understand greater good and all of that you simply can't start usurping rights and not expect problems. Following Southwest Airlines now American Airlines just had a problem. While the numbers are small compared to the whole people are pushing back. Figure 2,000 NYC fire fighters out of 11,000 is under 20% but like police a call in places those at work in more hazardous positions. Come January we are booked on a flight to San Diego and I would like to believe the guy driving is well rested. At the very start I mentioned this would not set well with many people in the US.

Ron

 

Seems about now NYC (New York City) is facing issues with Fire and Police with regard to vaccine mandates. Wonder how this will play out?

Ron

The power of these vaccine mandates is in ratio to the state of emergency set by some sort of conditions so it's not exactly a science based decision, it's more of a policy. A wise policy IMO in an emergency by state officials. By most measures we are quickly moving out of the emergency phase of the pandemic because we have vaccines, treatments and countermeasures that show a steady downturn in cases, sickness and death across the country. A massive emergency vaccination effort was started in the summer that seems to be moving out of balance with the current state of the virus in places where transmission is low and is expected to decrease even more. The reason for the mandates is to reduce human suffering but the risks at this stage is, will those strict mandates, with almost no exemptions (no test-or-vaccine rule), be counterproductive and actually increase human suffering. To me the more interesting question is federal level mandates. The court cases have all affirmed the power of state mandates but none that I know of have ruled at the federal level. Trying to use Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) for a backdoor vaccine mandate is a sure way to get a Supreme court case. The commerce clause states that states have general police powers for health and safety, not the federal government.

When will it end? How much longer the state’s interest in controlling the pandemic should be considered compelling on a legal argument for emergency powers?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/25/bus...vid-vaccine-mandate-until-after-holidays.html

Business groups ask White House to delay Biden Covid vaccine mandate until after the holidays

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/11/what-americas-covid-goal-now/620572/

We know how this ends: The coronavirus becomes endemic, and we live with it forever. But what we don’t know—and what the U.S. seems to have no coherent plan for—is how we are supposed to get there. We’ve avoided the hard questions whose answers will determine what life looks like in the next weeks, months, and years: How do we manage the transition to endemicity? When are restrictions lifted? And what long-term measures do we keep, if any, when we reach endemicity?

The answers were simpler when we thought we could vaccinate our way to herd immunity. But vaccinations in the U.S. have plateaued. The Delta variant and waning immunity against transmission mean herd immunity may well be impossible even if every single American gets a shot. So when COVID-related restrictions came back with the Delta wave, we no longer had an obvious off-ramp to return to normal—are we still trying to get a certain percentage of people vaccinated? Or are we waiting until all kids are eligible? Or for hospitalizations to fall and stay steady? The path ahead is not just unclear; it’s nonexistent. We are meandering around the woods because we don’t know where to go.

 

The power of these vaccine mandates is in ratio to the state of emergency set by some sort of conditions so it's not exactly a science based decision, it's more of a policy. A wise policy IMO in an emergency by state officials. By most measures we are quickly moving out of the emergency phase of the pandemic because we have vaccines, treatments and countermeasures that show a steady downturn in cases, sickness and death across the country. A massive emergency vaccination effort was started in the summer that seems to be moving out of balance with the current state of the virus in places where transmission is low and is expected to decrease even more. The reason for the mandates is to reduce human suffering but the risks at this stage is, will those strict mandates, with almost no exemptions (no test-or-vaccine rule), be counterproductive and actually increase human suffering. To me the more interesting question is federal level mandates. The court cases have all affirmed the power of state mandates but none that I know of have ruled at the federal level. Trying to use Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) for a backdoor vaccine mandate is a sure way to get a Supreme court case. The commerce clause states that states have general police powers for health and safety, not the federal government.

When will it end? How much longer the state’s interest in controlling the pandemic should be considered compelling on a legal argument for emergency powers?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/25/bus...vid-vaccine-mandate-until-after-holidays.html

Business groups ask White House to delay Biden Covid vaccine mandate until after the holidays

Absolutely and I agree 100% (maybe then some).

That does not change the fact that there will always be a percentage of the US population who will resist things like mandates. You have seen Martial Law and the enforcing of it. Can you imagine that on US soil? Unlike countries where you and I have witnessed martial law and the civilian population is unarmed things are slightly different here. Anyway I agree with everything you covered.

Ron

 

My son's former dentist has just passed away due to complications from CV19 ... and his wife is in the ICU and does not have a favorable prognosis. I do not know if they were vaccinated or not ... all I can say is that, sadly, this damn pandemic is not over yet...

 

My son's former dentist has just passed away due to complications from CV19 ... and his wife is in the ICU and does not have a favorable prognosis. I do not know if they were vaccinated or not ... all I can say is that, sadly, this damn pandemic is not over yet...

While subsiding no, it's far from over. My heart goes out to your son's dentist and his wife. This is wreaking havoc on the elderly. I am 71 and my wife is 73 and we are both vaccinated and plan the booster but nothing guarantees anything.

Ron

 

Yes and this is what happens when the US Government decides to mandate things and forces employers to mandate things.

You make it sound like there are no mandates at all. Can you drive drunk? Can you shoot who you want? Can you smoke in a public building or bar? Can you drive without insurance, or on the sidewalk? Can you pour toxic chemicals down the drain? It goes on and on. Mandates and laws come about because people don't do what is moral and right.