Well, it was said that RNA vaccines are very easy to adjust. Delta variant has been ide tified almost a year ago, so should the vaccine for it not be out already? The way it looks, the scenario is playing out same as with a flu shot, by the time the updated vaccine will be out, it is going to be out dated. As everything going on this is a guess...

Well, your need for a different vaccine for Delta variant is like asking for a different kind of stop sign for each type of car. No, all stop signs are fine for all cars and the current vaccines are fine for the delta variant and stop making up problems when they don't exist.
From the US CDC...

 

It's just not possible for typical mask usage to reduce transmission at those levels now. If you're not wearing a well fitted N-95 mask today you are likely fooling yourself on the level of virus protection you have. Masks today do serve an important function today by providing marginal protection to the general wearing public but there is maybe a more important factor in mask usage and mandates in behavior modification.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4868614/

A claim was made that there was no peer reviewed studies w.r.t. wearing masks. What I posted was a peer reviewed study w.r.t. wearing masks.

In the end all virus' rely on their host to spread, what we do makes a difference.

 

A claim was made that there was no peer reviewed studies w.r.t. wearing masks. What I posted was a peer reviewed study w.r.t. wearing masks.

In the end all virus' rely on their host to spread, what we do makes a difference.

There was no claim made that NO peer reviewed papers exist. The claim was that the "research article" in the post just before mine that claimed 'cloth masks don't work' was not yet peer reviewed.

 

A claim was made that there was no peer reviewed studies w.r.t. wearing masks. What I posted was a peer reviewed study w.r.t. wearing masks.

In the end all virus' rely on their host to spread, what we do makes a difference.

I gladly wear a mask when required but I also know the mechanical filter, trapping and diffusion effectiveness of your typical mask is marginal with the Delta variant so I think a huge slice of the reduction we see in those types of mask studies is caused by risk assessment behavior modification and attention to detail because of clear and present danger symbology. All that is a lot less effective with the modern variants that have evolved in a mask wearing environment to be much more contagious..

The answer is to get vaccinated, not to go get an N-95.

 

There was no claim made that NO peer reviewed papers exist. The claim was that the "research article" in the post just before mine that claimed 'cloth masks don't work' was not yet peer reviewed.

I owe you an appology - There has just been so much woo on here that I misread your post!

 

Well, your need for a different vaccine for Delta variant is like asking for a different kind of stop sign for each type of car. No, all stop signs are fine for all cars and the current vaccines are fine for the delta variant and stop making up problems when they don't exist.
From the US CDC...
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False!

The Delta variant in particular contains substitutions for a number of genes related to the spike protein (T478K, P681R and L452R for example). And of course it is the spike protein itself that most (all?) of these MRNA-based treatments are targeting. So unfortunately lower efficacy rates SHOULD BE EXPECTED.

Another unusual thing of note is that under certain circumstances the vaccines can actually make things WORSE for those who are already immunized when and if they ever do contract the Delta variant. The underlying mechanism however isn't well understood.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...upgrade-our-face-masks-and-where-to-get-them/

Scientific American spoke with several experts on aerosol transmission—some of whom have tested various masks available on the market—and they agree that health authorities should strongly recommend people wear well-fitted, high-filtration masks.

“A year ago we could say that we were concerned about shortages for health care workers, so we were telling people to make your cloth mask, and any mask is better than no mask,” says Linsey Marr, an environmental engineer and aerosol science expert at Virginia Tech. But given what scientists know now—especially with the virus’s highly transmissible Delta variant spreading and people spending more time indoors in schools, for example—“I think the CDC should be recommending high-performance masks for everyone when they’re in these risky indoor situations,” she says.

I think we need to be careful of using old peer reviewed papers as the definitive cause and effect for masking. Conditions and the virus have changed, if you need to depend on a mask for protection choose wisely.

 

When I put on my KN95 mask I adjust it so that it clings to my face when I inhale. If it isn’t restricting your breathing, it isn’t giving you much protection. I suspect that if everyone was wearing a respirator mask properly, the results would be far better.

Bob

 

When I put on my KN95 mask I adjust it so that it clings to my face when I inhale. If it isn’t restricting your breathing, it isn’t giving you much protection. I suspect that if everyone was wearing a respirator mask properly, the results would be far better.

Bob

Funny thing last night on Funniest Home Videos little girl with a basic mask, probably cloth, was trying to blow a Dandelion, but couldn’t even get one seed to come off. Made several attempts lol

Now, concerning masks for me, I wear one not N95 regular grade surgical, black. I have asthma when I cough around people, as a Vaxxed person, I have no idea if I’m contagious so, I wear one for their protection from me. But the response is so funny, people move back, which btw I don’t like to be crowded anyway. lol

Works for me, if they have it, distance and mask is acceptable to me.

kv

 

Also, we know that surgical masks are an effective way to protect an others because surgeons have been wearing them for a *long* time to protect their patients from getting an infection.

not exactly...
surgical mask can be an (reasonably) effective way to protect others. and yes surgeons have been using them for a *long* time.
but using mask in an operating room and using mask when paying for gas are two very different things.
one is sterile room where new mask is used every time. the other is not sterile environment and it is used by average people that did not just wash hands and get the new mask every single time. with policies that one cannot do business unless wearing mask, people are largely complying but using any mask that is at hand. even used one. just saw a guy picking up one that was on the car floor. i would not be surprised that such actions have worse effect than having no mask. as far as i see (so far) no studies are available to evaluate risks of improper use of mask. and there are very few businesses that offer the mask at the entrance... just my $0.02.

 

as far as i see (so far) no studies are available to evaluate risks of improper use of mask

Then we can't jump to any conclusions.

It's a Nirvana fallacy to say just because something is not 100% it is useless: Something can be better than nothing.

 

It's a Nirvana fallacy

What album was that on? Thought I knew all their songs.

 

What album was that on? Thought I knew all their songs.

I believe it was the 12th song on their second album, Nevermind.

 

Masking provides marginal improvements in preventing general population (individual case uses are different) virus transmission today. Useful but far from a magic bullet of prevention. The levels of vaccination is the chief factor in sickness and death. The politics of masking is last years wasted energy.

https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/...ndates-delta-COVID-19-data-works-16502191.php

Were California county mask mandates effective against delta? Here's what the data says.

Before anyone draws any sweeping conclusions from this data, it's worth pointing out that mask mandates do not always equate to universal masking, and a lack of mask mandates does not mean that no one in a county is wearing masks voluntarily.


However, strong conclusions can be drawn regarding vaccine efficacy against hospitalization. When Gov. Gavin Newsom was pressed over the summer on implementing a statewide indoor mask mandate in response delta, he demurred and said that vaccination is the more important intervention.


"If we continue to get people vaccinated that'll be unnecessary and this is the call that anyone who hasn't been vaccinated get vaccinated," he said.

 

I believe it was the 12th song on their second album, Nevermind.

“Something in the way”

kv

 

“Something in the way”

kv

I thought that it would be fitting speaking about masks

 

Then we can't jump to any conclusions.

It's a Nirvana fallacy to say just because something is not 100% it is useless: Something can be better than nothing.

yes, and it could be harmful too. not useless but harmful...

 

There is using masks wrongly, and then there is using masks WRONGLY. I actually saw someone take off his mask so he could cough.

Bob

 

There is using masks wrongly, and then there is using masks WRONGLY. I actually saw someone take off his mask so he could cough.

Bob

OMG *ROLLING EYES*

kv

 

There is using masks wrongly, and then there is using masks WRONGLY. I actually saw someone take off his mask so he could cough.

Bob

What an idiot.