New requests are being made to re-mask now, simply because we call still get and pass the virus to others. Also recommended for Schools.

I have no issues with it, just reduces the amount of people who question if I’m vaxxed or not. Meanwhile I‘ve been doing it anyway,

Ahem, I just don’t want to get your stuff, no matter what it is, colds, flu, bad breath, etc.

kv

I don't mind the re-masking, I just want venues to be open, at full capacity without distancing requirements. Notice that distancing seems to left out of the mix. That's because 'social' distancing is ineffective with delta and IMO neither will masking be effective at stopping delta unless we are all wearing expertly fitted N95+ masks instead of the pandemic theater cloth versions most people will wear.

 

You talk way more about no politics than anyone else talks about real political opinions. Saying "masks and vaccinations have been politicized" is hardly "talking politics" my overly-sensitive friend.

Wasn't me who brought up presidential administrations. Yes, mask and vaccinations unfortunately have been politicized. So much so that drug overdoses which have likely killed more than this pandemic have fallen out of grace along with homicides. I contributed a few life experiences and how the virus has effected me or those close to me. I have not politicked anything. I have pointed out that while vaccinated I defend the rights of those who say no to vaccination while I obviously don't see not being vaccinated as a good move. All of this comes down to can people be forcibly vaccinated? I do not see a way they can and offering candy does not seem to work. The numbers in the US are up which is a good sign but the numbers could be better and fall below the expected numbers for July 4th..



What is the percentage of people vaccinated in the US?

Over 56% of those ages 12 and up in the U.S. are fully vaccinated, according to the CDC.

Not even 6 out of 10 have been fully vaccinated. Not quite stellar but better than a week ago.

So what's the plan to get the unvaccinated vaccinated?

Ron

 

So what's the plan to get the unvaccinated vaccinated?

Ron

Fear is the best motivator IMO at this stage in the plague. Fear is a primal instinct that served us well as cave dwellers. We have no problem showing PSA after PSA of dying smokers, drunks headed to jail and 20 year old meth heads that look to be 70 headed to the pit of hell.

We've been far too nice in the messaging on the effects of not being vaccinated.

This is an example of what they ran in Oregon during the beginning of the 2020 lockdown phase.

 

@Reloadron
Forgive me, I forgot quotes the first time to emphasize what I meant so you don't mis-interpret it again...

You talk way more about "no politics" than anyone else talks about real political opinions. Saying "masks and vaccinations have been politicized" is hardly "talking politics" my overly-sensitive friend.

 

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My part of Canada is opening hospital surgeries for vaccinated people today. I think then they are banning unvaccinated people and smokers. Today I downloaded my official vaccination receipt in case I need it for a restaurant, hospital care or many other activities.

The numbers of new cases in my area is low because almost everybody is vaccinated. The numbers in the slums is high because few people are vaccinated. Is it a lack of education or poor English that causes poor people to be unvaccinated?

There are no deaths of vaccinated people, all deaths are unvaccinated.
The main doctor in charge of Covid things in my area says that over 31,000 Covid cases and 2,500 hospitalizations and deaths of oldies have been prevented due to the vaccines.

Today the news says I will need a 3rd dose as a booster in about 6 months, if there are unvaccinated teens and adults who are still alive.

 

Received this today from my primary care doctor...


As many of you know, there has been an increase in SARS COV2 infection with the recent delta variant. We have been receiving lots of great questions and decided it was time to send out an update for everyone.

What we know...
-The Delta variant is a lot more contagious. With the original SARS COV2 virus, one infected person infected 2.5 people. With the Delta variant, one infected person infects 8 people. A recent study showed that people affected with Delta carry approximately 1000 times more virus compared with prior versions of the virus [which is why it is overwhelming the strong protection of vaccines...]
-To quote a Medscape article: "Fully vaccinated people continue to be well protected against severe disease and death, even with Delta, but so-called breakthrough cases, where a person gets infected despite being fully vaccinated, are on the rise. Because of that, many experts continue to advise caution, even if fully vaccinated." Meaning you can still get COVID, but you should stay out of the hospital and the risk of dying should be much less.

If you have already been vaccinated...
-CDC recommends that fully vaccinated people need to be tested ONLY IF they have symptoms (not simply due to exposure).
-Fully vaccinated people need to quarantine for 10 days after a positive test result.

If you have NOT been vaccinated...
-Unvaccinated people should get tested if they have exposure or start showing symptoms of COVID.
-Unvaccinated people with a positive test result should quarantine for 10 days after a positive test result or exposure to a positive COVID patient.
-You are more likely to get infected from someone because the Delta variant is FAR MORE contagious.
-You are at more risk of hospitalization or death.
- It's not too late to get vaccinated to protect you and those around you from this virulent variant.




What do I recommend?
I recommend that everyone (including vaccinated patients) exercise precautions again. I personally have started wearing a mask in crowded areas again, including the grocery store and at my office. This is for your safety as well as mine. Precautions are even more important for our patients at higher risk.


Coastal Family Medicine is committed to help protect you and your loved ones. Please let us know if you have any questions or if we can help in any way.


Dr. Miller

On my wife's and my recent visits to the Jax Mayo Clinic, she was required to take a covid test before any invasive procedures were performed and both of us were required to be masked, were evaluated by temp, and questioning before entry to any building.

 

On my wife's and my recent visits to the Jax Mayo Clinic, she was required to take a covid test before any invasive procedures were performed and both of us were required to be masked, were evaluated by temp, and questioning before entry to any building.

I assume you have contacted a civil rights lawyer? For them taking away your freedoms.

(That was a joke not a real statement. Just trying to make the truthiness people happy)

 

I assume you have contacted a civil rights lawyer? For them taking away your freedoms.

(That was a joke not a real statement. Just trying to make the truthiness people happy)

The loss of actual freedom should always be a worry.
https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/2020-10/COVID-19_Special_Report_Final_.pdf

The US based non-masker and non-vaxxer are IMO barking up the wrong tree with their freedom cries.

 

The loss of actual freedom should always be a worry.
https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/2020-10/COVID-19_Special_Report_Final_.pdf

The US based non-masker and non-vaxxer are IMO barking up the wrong tree with their freedom cries.

God forbid the government would make anyone do something against their will in times of war - didn't that guy say he was a war-time something?
In other news, my son registered for the Draft this week.

 

God forbid the government would make anyone do something against their will in times of war - didn't that guy say he was a war-time something?
In other news, my son registered for the Draft this week.

This is a Health Emergency not a war, I'm a 100% in on states mandating vaccines for critical health emergency related matters.

 

On my wife's and my recent visits to the Jax Mayo Clinic, she was required to take a covid test before any invasive procedures were performed and both of us were required to be masked, were evaluated by temp, and questioning before entry to any building.

My wife is a cancer patient so we frequent hospitals quite frequently for both doctor visits and scans. Mask required of course and they temperature scan and have a simple line of questions at entry. Thinking about it something comes to mind. While they ask about are you experiencing... list of symptoms, they don't ask if we are vaccinated. Never gave it much thought till just now.

Ron

 

God forbid the government would make anyone do something against their will in times of war - didn't that guy say he was a war-time something?
In other news, my son registered for the Draft this week.

I’m wondering if enlisted he will be forced to take the Vax? Of course along with all the other shots, no one really knows whats in them lol

kv

 

The only vaccination from the Army that I remember the name of was for the Black Plague (just in case the Viet Cong had some available to them). We all had miserable reactions to that one, and a few guys from our company went to sick bay and eventually left the service.

Yes, unless things have changed, if he gets called up or volunteers, he will occasionally be treated like a pincushion. But that's ok because he is young and can handle it.

 

The only vaccination from the Army that I remember the name of was for the Black Plague (just in case the Viet Cong had some available to them). We all had miserable reactions to that one, and a few guys from our company went to sick bay and eventually left the service.

Yes, unless things have changed, if he gets called up or volunteers, he will occasionally be treated like a pincushion. But that's ok because he is young and can handle it.

I had the military Plague shot by jet injection before a overseas deployment.. To say it 'kicked my ass' is an understatement. I seemed to be on fire from a million bee stings for at least a day.

Military physicians involved with mass immunizations have been aware that plague vaccine is probably one of the most common causes of significant adverse reactions.
https://www.jacionline.org/article/0021-8707(70)90061-4/pdf

Plague vaccine contains 2,000 million formaldehyde-killed plague bacilli per milliliter of sodium chloride solution. Other ingredients are 0.04 per cent formalin, 0.5 per cent phenol, and trace amounts of beef heart extract, yeast extract, agar, peptones, and peptides of soya and casein.

 

This is a Health Emergency not a war, I'm a 100% in on states mandating vaccines for critical health emergency related matters.

My wife is a cancer patient so we frequent hospitals quite frequently for both doctor visits and scans. Mask required of course and they temperature scan and have a simple line of questions at entry. Thinking about it something comes to mind. While they ask about are you experiencing... list of symptoms, they don't ask if we are vaccinated. Never gave it much thought till just now.

My daughter is an ER physician here in Montgomery county, TX about an hour north of Houston. They have experienced a sharp uptick in Delta cases amongst their patients and their own, doctors, nurses and other staff.

Texas is not particularly stellar in %vaxxed, a bit less than 50% statewide, but that stat is misleading. The big cities, Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio are pretty good vax-wise. Houston in particular has been stellar in getting jabs in arms. (H/T to Mayor Turner and County Judge Hildago for making it happen for as many as they could.) We live in Montgomery county north of Harris county but still got the Houston invite in Feb. Long lines and a very cold MinuteMaid park (Astros venue) but they got it done.

In Montgomery county and much of non-urban TX, the vax rate is much lower. And, in Montgomery county.. unfortunately, we are seeing a sharp spike in infections. Totally preventable, IMO

[Speculation] The effect of delta and, presumably other variants, in a perverse way may be aggravated by the vaccine. The vaccinated host doesn't crash but exhales the new mutant virus. Unvaxxed targets suffer the consequences. The affected doctors I know feel muted symptoms but delta is suspected to be up to 1000X more transmissible -based on the observed viral loads in patients.
The solution is to get vaxxed so that you are not 1) a host and 2) not open to a 10E3 hit of the virus. 3)wear a mask to limit the exhale range.
[/Speculation]
A depressingly high fraction of my neighbors disagree.

One thing that we should all be concerned about is the psych of the front-line health care worker. I know a lot of my kid's associates. They are really, really pissed. They are depressed. They have family difficulties. It was bad enough that Covid-19 hit hard and exposed the lack of planning and resources available (PPD for one) but they rallied in difficult circumstances, as their profession did all over the country, but now it's different. It's preventable. They want folks to at least get on board with what it takes to meet these new challenges but far too many just won't.

All of these doctors have committed a large portion of their young lives (and in our case, Dad and Mom have chipped in mid-six-figures) to their desire to care for people and in my kid's case, children. Nobody we knew gave up in those dark times even if it meant ol' JohnInTX and his lovely spouse took the grand kids for several 14 day quarantines and what effect that had on the babies.

But that was then and this is now. The vax isn't perfect but it works. Those docs that got infected have mild symptoms. They're pulled from the line because of the spreading risk making it harder on the rest (and frankly - ME). The problem is that far too many people think that this is some insipid political stunt, not important. They are - idiots.

Look. My kid is a warrior. She graduated with honors from Johns Hopkins in neuroscience. She graduated top of her class at Mayo Medical school. She has co-authored original research in DNA-indicators to neurological trauma. She can explain down to the molecular level why vaccines, particularly mRNA vaccines, are a good idea. She drills holes in infants' femurs to insert antibiotic lines to save lives. But she still gets yelled at and in one case spit on, in the ER and accused of being 'on the take' from idiots who get their information from Facebook and cable 'news' - and who are usually infected.

Aside: My calculus: 15 years of post-secondary education + $376,000 of college, med school, + fellowships +, published + 2x boards exams > what Tucker says.

That's the report from South Texas.

For @Reloadron I'm sorry to hear your wife is challenged with cancer. Mayo, in any location, is first rate. MD Anderson in Houston proper is also first rate and are very involved in cutting edge therapies. When I was flying Angel Flights, all cancer patients went to MDA. Give them a look if you need to.

 

The US based non-masker and non-vaxxer are IMO barking up the wrong tree with their freedom cries.

Just to add to my rant.. In the late '50s I contracted measles. After the house call, the good Dr. Dart gave me a set of cheap sunglasses, advised my parents to keep me isolated and as he left, affixed a big red sticker to our house that said 'Quarantine- Measles' We were not allowed to leave the house nor get mail (through the front door slot) for some 14 days IIRC. That's how they dealt with public health issues when we were had no other defense.. and were sane - and public health > your going out for a pack of Luckys..

Later, we welcomed the vaccine as the miracle it was.

 

The only vaccination from the Army that I remember the name of was for the Black Plague (just in case the Viet Cong had some available to them). We all had miserable reactions to that one, and a few guys from our company went to sick bay and eventually left the service.

Yes, unless things have changed, if he gets called up or volunteers, he will occasionally be treated like a pincushion. But that's ok because he is young and can handle it.

Since you brought it up, a 10-year-old girl in Colorado died of plague earlier this month - the first death from plague in 6 years in the US. https://www.denverpost.com/2021/07/22/colorado-plague-death-la-plata-county/

 

God forbid the government would make anyone do something against their will in times of war - didn't that guy say he was a war-time something?
In other news, my son registered for the Draft this week.

My son is active duty submarines. I am ashamed to admit it but I sometimes wonder if his and others' sacrifice is worth it these days.

 

My son is active duty submarines. I am ashamed to admit it but I sometimes wonder if his and others' sacrifice is worth it these days.

Nothing wrong with asking/wondering.