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MrSalts

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Only the states can have this as a health emergency requirement. We don't have a national Vax passport because of constitutional opposition across the political spectrum.
And soon, Americans will have to decide if we buy into Vaccine Passports or stop traveling outside the US.
 
The US has the most Covid-19 cases and deaths than any other country in the entire world. All other countries call it a Health Emergency, why not the US??
Can you imagine all airports and ship docks being closed to keep more virus getting in and mutations getting out?
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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The US has the most Covid-19 cases and deaths than any other country in the entire world. All other countries call it a Health Emergency, why not the US??
It's probably against the law in other countries for TV and radio talking heads to give out medical advice. Or for that matter the truthiness people on forums.
 
The TV and radio talking heads are simply reporting what the medical experts are also talking about, "Get vaccinated". They also say the important reasons why.

I see no problem discussing about Vax or No Vax on this Off Topic thread.
Governments (not us) have the power to force lockdowns until everybody is vaccinated. Some places opened up too soon and the cases are rising again, forcing another pending lockdown.
 

MrSalts

Joined Apr 2, 2020
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https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/lambda-variant-of-covid-19-might-be-resistant-to-vaccines

Some other things to consider about vaccine experience...

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

Question arises whether vaccination is selecting for a deadlier strain...
"Questions arise", yes, but what's the risk and what's the alternative? Are you suggesting that keeping standard strains of virus circulating in the community prevents more deadly or more transmittable strains at bay?

Can you talk through the main issue in the paper (or your interpretation of the paper)?
 
The Coronavac (developed in China) mentioned in the article about one or a few people in Chile vaccinated with it but becoming infected with the lambda variant (from Chile) might be the only vaccine used in Chile.
The vaccines used in North America are very effective against the original virus, the British variant, the Indian variant and maybe (I can't remember) the South African variant.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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The US has the most Covid-19 cases and deaths than any other country in the entire world. All other countries call it a Health Emergency, why not the US??
Can you imagine all airports and ship docks being closed to keep more virus getting in and mutations getting out?
Have you been sleeping for the last 16 months? We do call it a Health Emergency, and , as per the rule of law (because federal marital-law has not been declared) States are deemed sovereign governing bodies with the power to execute and use emergency powers to control that Health Emergency. The 10th Amendment reserves police powers, including inherent sovereign powers to protect the health, safety, and general welfare, to the states. The Feds are doing their job as the nations gatekeeper and handles interactions between the states but internal powers (as people have discovered, the state governors powers are vast and dictatorial during an emergency ) are reserved for states.

How many Americans would willingly hand over the reins of pandemic response solely to the federal government?
 
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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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The TV and radio talking heads are simply reporting what the medical experts are also talking about, "Get vaccinated". They also say the important reasons why.

I see no problem discussing about Vax or No Vax on this Off Topic thread.
Governments (not us) have the power to force lockdowns until everybody is vaccinated. Some places opened up too soon and the cases are rising again, forcing another pending lockdown.
Oregon reopened late and cases are rising in the state. The main difference is the level of rise and that is a direct consequence of the level of vaccination of the local population.
https://katu.com/news/local/oregon-...000-new-cases-of-coronavirus-over-the-weekend

PORTLAND, Ore. – Oregon health officials reported 993 new cases of coronavirus over the weekend, as well as two more COVID-19 related deaths across the state.

The latest numbers push Oregon’s total number of confirmed or presumptive coronavirus cases to 215,853 since the pandemic began. The state’s death toll is 2,838.
 

MrSalts

Joined Apr 2, 2020
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Have you been sleeping for the last 16 months? We do call it a Health Emergency, and , as per the rule of law (because federal marital-law has not been declared) State are deemed sovereign governing bodies with the power to execute and use emergency powers to control that Health Emergency. The 10th Amendment reserves police powers, including inherent sovereign powers to protect the health, safety, and general welfare, to the states. The Fed are doing their job as the nations gatekeeper but internal powers (as people have discovered, the state governors powers are vast and dictatorial during an emergency ) are reserved states.
And it is fascinating to watch some governors and members of Congress...
- whine because they believe our former leader is not getting enough credit for single-handedly creating a vaccine, while
- make up reasons why their constituents are not getting vaccinated and praise constituents for their contrarian beliefs
- not realize how wrong their made-up reasons are because many supporters of our former leader already decided they would not get a vaccine for the "plan-demic" or don't want a Bill Gates microchip, or don't believe the virus exists (while simultaneously blaming China for creating the virus).
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/us/politics/trump-vaccine-skeptics.html
 

djsfantasi

Joined Apr 11, 2010
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The TV and radio talking heads are simply reporting what the medical experts are also talking about, "Get vaccinated". They also say the important reasons why.

I see no problem discussing about Vax or No Vax on this Off Topic thread.
Governments (not us) have the power to force lockdowns until everybody is vaccinated. Some places opened up too soon and the cases are rising again, forcing another pending lockdown.
I disagree with you. TV and Radio talking heads are not “reporting”; they are making up stories based on their beliefs.

The US needs to return to the concept that journalists must be fair and truthful. Lies and fabrications should be judged and held accountable to provable facts. Not a fantastic reality.

We’ve lost all accountability. Any fantastic story, no matter how ridiculous, needs to be punished legally when the courts determine that the fifth estate is lying.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/lambda-variant-of-covid-19-might-be-resistant-to-vaccines

Some other things to consider about vaccine experience...

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

Question arises whether vaccination is selecting for a deadlier strain...
I don't see any evidence vaccination is selecting deadlier strains yet as there are plenty of unvaccinated in the US to lower the viral evolutional pressure. It also seems interesting to me that very few of the active variants have originated directly in the US. For some reason our population seems to be mainly a end-stop not the beginning for various mutations.
 
In Canada we do not have a pharmaceutical manufacturing company so we are late about obtaining vaccines. Now we have caught up with and passed US with the percentage of people with two doses. Our case counts, hospitalizations and deaths have dropped a lot in areas that have sensible people. The case counts etc continue rising in areas with many antivaxxers.
We have 4 levels of medical experts that are reported every day on TV:
1) Federal.
2) Provincial (a province is like a state).
3) Local area.
4) Personal family doctor.
They all tell us to get vaccinated and why. I believe what they say, antivaxxers do not.
 

MrSalts

Joined Apr 2, 2020
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I don't see any evidence vaccination is selecting deadlier strains yet as there are plenty of unvaccinated in the US to lower the viral evolutional pressure. It also seems interesting to me that very few of the active variants have originated directly in the US. For some reason our population seems to be mainly a end-stop not the beginning for various mutations.
@justtrying obviously didn't read the paper - just passed it on as some kind of hint that risk exists. The papers conclusion, right in the last sentance of the Abstract - risk only existed for the unvaccinated if more deadly strains would be able to infect (but not kill) vaccinated individuals.
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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It's been nice but apparently some people can't focus on the virus without dragging politics in. Granted hard to do but not impossible. I am also tired of a game of my country is better than yours as again politics play in. You all have a nice time. Meanwhile nothing is going to change as to the pandemic. Personally before I say things to get me banned I don't have a dog in this race.

Thanks and have a nice day. :)
Ron
 

MrSalts

Joined Apr 2, 2020
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It's been nice but apparently some people can't focus on the virus without dragging politics in.
Do you think the handling of the pandemic and vaccination is free from politics, self-serving alterior motives, foreign propaganda campaigns, and capitalism? If no, why don't you think those things should be discussed (I was under the impression that being "silenced" is not a good thing). If you do think the vaccinations and pandemic response was free of those forces and influences that I listed, well, I have a lot more questions for you.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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And soon, Americans will have to decide if we buy into Vaccine Passports or stop traveling outside the US.
The choice is a easy one. Passports are usually already required for travel outside of the US with being vaccinated for X,X,X already a requirement to some nations. Adding a CV-19 vaxx requirement is a no brainer (by international and constitutional consent) for overseas travel.
 

MrSalts

Joined Apr 2, 2020
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The choice is a easy one. Passports are usually already required for travel outside of the US with being vaccinated for X,X,X already a requirement to some nations. Adding a CV-19 vaxx requirement is a no brainer (by international and constitutional consent) for overseas travel.
For you and I, a no brainer. Listen to governors talk about how any documentation of vaccin status in any form will be a slippery slope to socialism or worse - as one member her keeps saying, "show me your papers". I doubt Covid will ever be added - but I wouldn't mind being wrong.
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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Do you think the handling of the pandemic and vaccination is free from politics, self-serving alterior motives, foreign propaganda campaigns, and capitalism? If no, why don't you think those things should be discussed (I was under the impression that being "silenced" is not a good thing). If you do think the vaccinations and pandemic response was free of those forces and influences that I listed, well, I have a lot more questions for you.
Look, forum rules are pretty clear about politics and things like religion. Can COVOID be discussed less politics? Yes, I figure it can. You apparently see things differently. Do you actually believe you can link to and quote a NY Times newspaper article less any bias? I grew up NYC and delivered the Times as a kid. Today I see it as one of the most biased pieces of journalism out there. All here nor there the forum has rules about politics and when some seem to feel they can make their point by bashing US presidents past or present I won't play the game. I also won't spout my mouth off about another's country and do not appreciate someone spouting off garbage about mine. Pretty simple and reasons like politics and religion as well as other topics are not supposed to be permitted. If you have more questions they likely should be taken up with forum moderation. I am not the guy to question but pretty sure a mod could better answer your questions. No, being silenced is not a good thing and I agree. That said I don't make the rules..

From a Moderator:
And thus it becomes politics. I think we are done here.

Politics and religion are not allowed on AAC. Why is this so hard?
Personally I would just allow an open war and this is why we have rules and moderation.

Oh well, time to go load more ammunition. Hopefully I'll get back later or tomorrow. :)

Ron
 
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