The news just said that 25% of Americans refuse to be vaccinated. Then the virus will last for years until they succumb.

"Despite the unprecedented rollout of three COVID-19 vaccines, 25% of Americans in a new poll from Monmouth University said they are still unwilling to be vaccinated".

This was based on a poll by Monmouth University. How accurate do you figure this poll to be? Polls like this are often based on a small sampling and an inaccurate sampling. Right now without looking at a poll it would seem our neighbors to the North are experiencing far greater issues with COVID than we are down here in the lower 48. While I am all for vaccinations I also believe in a peoples right to choose. When certain rights are given up the people become sheeple. I would never place much stock in a poll which can be biased either way. The saddest college course I ever took was decision making based on statistical analysis. Numers can be skewed to reflect whatever a poll decides it wants.

Ron

 

"Despite the unprecedented rollout of three COVID-19 vaccines, 25% of Americans in a new poll from Monmouth University said they are still unwilling to be vaccinated".

This was based on a poll by Monmouth University. How accurate do you figure this poll to be? Polls like this are often based on a small sampling and an inaccurate sampling. Right now without looking at a poll it would seem our neighbors to the North are experiencing far greater issues with COVID than we are down here in the lower 48. While I am all for vaccinations I also believe in a peoples right to choose. When certain rights are given up the people become sheeple. I would never place much stock in a poll which can be biased either way. The saddest college course I ever took was decision making based on statistical analysis. Numers can be skewed to reflect whatever a poll decides it wants.

Ron

Even if X poll is 100% correct at X time they are much less useful as a indicator of future events and trends.

If you polled my mom in Texas a month ago she would be in the 25%. Now, a month later, she has completed both shots and is happy she did. Because of high natural infection rates in the USA a 70% vaccination level would net immunity level at least in the high 80's. If the virus mutations becomes endemic (1918 flu is still here) as most think, X going away/elimination prefect immunity threshold isn't going to happen anyway.

 

Even if X poll is 100% correct at X time they are much less useful as a indicator of future events and trends.

If you polled my mom in Texas a month ago she would be in the 25%. Now, a month later, she has completed both shots and is happy she did. Because of high natural infection rates in the USA a 70% vaccination level would net immunity level at least in the high 80's. If the virus mutations becomes endemic (1918 flu is still here) as most think, X going away/elimination prefect immunity threshold isn't going to happen anyway.

That covers it nicely. I would also venture if we polled most Texans a year ago they would agree it will never get that cold. Really I see polls as useless as teats on a bull. I would never base anything I said on a poll. Pretty sure based on a few of our conversations you remember vaccinations.

Ron

 

That covers it nicely. I would also venture if we polled most Texans a year ago they would agree it will never get that cold. Really I see polls as useless as teats on a bull. I would never base anything I said on a poll. Pretty sure based on a few of our conversations you remember vaccinations.

Ron

I'm more optimistic on vaccinations. Those evil polls (as checkpoints in time) are actually showing positive attitudes growing with the hard-core NO remaining a constant low percentage.

https://khn.org/news/article/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-drops-among-americans-new-kff-survey-shows/

 

I am in Canada where the government was slow to stop airplanes from bringing travellers back home but they brought the virus variants with them. Then they went shopping and spread it around because there are not enough police to stop them.

There are fools here too who open their restaurants and churches during a lockdown and do not wear masks.

 

I figure it this way. Nobody I know who has gotten the shot(s) has fallen over dead. I had absolutely no symptoms to date, not even a sore arm at the injection point.

Now on an unrelated note. My brother in law discovered he had Hepatitis C . Mike was never involved with drug use and a straight arrow Marine. The only thing they could attribute it to was boot camp and those air gun shots we all received. Even though the corpsman wiped the gun with an alcohol swab before "Next" they claim those guns after the high pressure injection produced a tiny vacuum. He could possibly have gotten some infected blood. One of the girls I grew up with as a child had several surgeries and blood transfusions. Back then blood was not always tested most never tested at all. Drug users often sold blood to get money for their habit.

Anyway, while I am all for the vaccinations for COVID I have to support peoples right to refuse the vaccine. That said anyone who does refuse can deal with any consequences. Already booked a cruise in January of 2022 and already know they will want proof of vaccination. Cool with me. Want to test me? Cool with me also.

Ron

 

I am in Canada where the government was slow to stop airplanes from bringing travellers back home but they brought the virus variants with them. Then they went shopping and spread it around because there are not enough police to stop them.

There are fools here too who open their restaurants and churches during a lockdown and do not wear masks.

Yes, but nobody twist anybody's arm to go to these business establishments. Good prevention involves common sense. The spread of COVID was rampant in NY with a focus on NYC. Ten million people in the city of NY. Imagine the population density. I grew up there on packed busses and subway trains. Just the common flu season had an effect, let alone COVID.

Ron

 

Problems in France too.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...n-paris-suburb-battles-third-wave-of-covid-19

With more than 1,500 patients currently in ICU units across the Paris region, the third wave of the coronavirus pandemic is proving even more brutal than the first. Nationwide, occupancy rates are nearing 90%, meaning health workers have few options to take their patients elsewhere.
The mounting pressure on hospitals has prompted several doctors to sound the alarm, warning that they may soon have to choose which patients they have the resources to treat.
In a sobering warning published on Sunday, a group of 41 ICU doctors said the failure to order a strict lockdown of the public would soon “compel health workers to decide which patient should live and which should die”.

The vaccines are making a huge difference.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...-uk-jab-success-as-complete-vaccination-nears

Gibraltar has not had a single person hospitalised with Covid-19 since its vaccination rollout began on January 10 – and now the British territory has lifted the requirement to wear a mask outside.
The vaccination programme proceeded rapidly on the Rock, as Gibraltar is nicknamed, with 90 percent of its 35,000 residents receiving at least one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech jab.
“Most of my friends have been vaccinated,” said 21-year-old Gibraltar resident Julian Avellano. “It's a privilege that we don't want to miss out on!”

 

Paris, while not on the scale of NYC is another example of a densely populated city which relies heavily on mass transit systems. Been there and done that and the subway (underground) system reminded me of NYC, likewise Rome. People are packed in those cars like sardines in a can. Now toss in an infectious disease which spreads easily and we can see where it is going. While it is hard to condone lock down sometimes it is a viable option.

My wife and I have been retired since 2013 so our outside world contact is nowhere near where it once was. There are no work days where we are in close contact with dozens of people. Neither us or our neighbors have had any symptoms and now we are vaccinated, or the second shot is Wednesday the 7th. Anyway, our travels have been limited other than last summer enjoying family time at cabins in West Virginia. My sister owns one and she rented 5 cabins adjacent to hers all for a family gathering. Same sister who was stuck on a south Pacific cruise ship which was COVID free but all ports were cancelled. The food and wine was great though. I told her it was a great deal, nobody on the ship was sick and there was no way for the virus to get to the ship. Long as the good food and wine lasted they were good and having fun. Less any port calls. Full refunds on everything including her airfare. Hell of a nice lockdown.

Anyway you can figure cities with dense populations and mass public transportation are going to be a problem. Look at Miami with the spring break influx or Daytona and Lauderdale. The only good news is a warm climate.

Ron

 

https://www.dmagazine.com/healthcar...sk-mandate-why-didnt-covid-19-cases-increase/

Since Gov. Greg Abbott ended the Texas mask mandate, COVID-19 cases have not spiked as some worried they would. Why?

The end of the mask mandate was both applauded and jeered by different segments of the population. Many were happy not to wear the masks, while some business owners worried that their employees would have to be mask enforcers. Meanwhile, conferences that had been planned for Texas decided to move locations because of the end of state-mandated masking.

But at least so far, the worst fear about the end of the mask mandate—a huge spike in new infections—hasn’t come to fruition. Cases have decreased for most of March. For the first time in almost a year, Dallas County moved its COVID-19 threat level from red to orange. Several factors are bringing case numbers down, says Dallas County Medical Director Dr. Philip Huang.

 

https://www.dmagazine.com/healthcar...sk-mandate-why-didnt-covid-19-cases-increase/

Texas is serving as a maskless guinea pig... I'm very interested in seeing the results of this politically loaded experiment, I just hope it doesn't cost any lives ... Personally, I don't like wearing a mask but I comply out of respect and civility. But I also agree that while doubt exists as to their effectiveness, it's best to err on the safe side.

 

Texas is serving as a maskless guinea pig... I'm very interested in seeing the results of this politically loaded experiment, I just hope it doesn't cost any lives ... Personally, I don't like wearing a mask but I comply out of respect and civility. But I also agree that while doubt exists as to their effectiveness, it's best to err on the safe side.

We are, thank goodness, IMO quickly getting to the point that masks will be a scientifically unjustifiable pandemic requirement (to protect you or others) in most parts of the USA because of increasing levels of vaccination with studies that show very high levels of protection from the shots.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/...nsmission-protect-spread-virus-moderna-pfizer

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/03/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-cases

The Biden administration on Saturday put Johnson & Johnson in charge of a Baltimore contract plant that ruined 15 million doses of its Covid-19 vaccine, and moved to stop the facility from making another vaccine, developed by AstraZeneca, senior federal health officials said.

The extraordinary move by the Department of Health and Human Services will leave the Emergent BioSolutions facility solely devoted to making the Johnson & Johnson single-dose vaccine and is meant to avoid future mix-ups, according to two senior federal health officials. Johnson & Johnson confirmed the changes, saying it was “assuming full responsibility” for the vaccine made by Emergent.

The change came in response to the recent disclosure that Emergent, a manufacturing partner to both AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson, accidentally mixed up the ingredients from the two different vaccines, which forced regulators to delay authorization of the plant’s production lines.

For the first time, more than three million people, on average, are receiving a Covid-19 vaccine each day in the United States, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And on Saturday, the country reported over four million doses in a single day for the first time.

 

Texas is serving as a maskless guinea pig... I'm very interested in seeing the results of this politically loaded experiment, I just hope it doesn't cost any lives ... Personally, I don't like wearing a mask but I comply out of respect and civility. But I also agree that while doubt exists as to their effectiveness, it's best to err on the safe side.

Here is an interesting bit. I am not fond of wearing a mask either and wondered why anyone could have a valid excuse not to. Wife is in physical therapy rebuilding a new right leg. Hospital and everyone in mask. With the therapy they monitor her blood oxygen levels. Wearing the mask lowers her numbers. Remove the mask and a few deep breaths and she is back to normal levels. I guess that is normal for someone like her, mid 70s with COPD. I never would have given it a thought.

Ron

 

I am in Canada where the government was slow to stop airplanes from bringing travellers back home but they brought the virus variants with them. Then they went shopping and spread it around because there are not enough police to stop them.

There are fools here too who open their restaurants and churches during a lockdown and do not wear masks.

Same guy from electrotechonline? =)
I just read that our government already has a plan that in mid-May, everything could open in the Czech Republic, following the example of Portugal. The numbers will go up again ... we are more infected than Germany and we are several times smaller. It amazes me how some idiots who do not follow the orders can claim that the government is responsible for the increase in cases ... We have tough orders on paper, but no one is following them, because if they catch you, the police won't do anything to you.
Prague 31.3.2021

https://www.idnes.cz/zpravy/domaci/...domaci_baky/foto/BAK8a6c93_193159_9512193.jpg

 

The news today said police in Brazil caught hundreds of the millons of fools there who were partying and spreading the virus variant all around.

 

We have tough orders on paper, but no one is following them, because if they catch you, the police won't do anything to you.

Unfortunately, that has been the attitude in most places. The only place it seems to be happening is in places where "spring breakers" have gathered in large numbers and the police are using the Wuhan flu as an excuse to break up the rowdy revelers.

 

Unfortunately, that has been the attitude in most places. The only place it seems to be happening is in places where "spring breakers" have gathered in large numbers and the police are using the Wuhan flu as an excuse to break up the rowdy revelers.

It's like herding cats.

In the US many of the individual governors pandemic orders are temporary personal behavior rules, not constitutional law. The power of the federal government to declare national quarantines or isolation's and even masking rules are limited to people, places and things under limited Supreme court ruled federal control. These behavior rules are enforced mainly by local law enforcement within states. Across the political spectrum, state leaders have decided the police have better things to do than to be mask storm-troopers so existing constitutional laws of quarantine, trespass and curfews are being used when pandemic personal behavior rules are broken.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33201.pdf

 

If only the idiots breaking the rules and spreading the virus were eliminated by the virus it would be a useful evolutionary effect. Unfortunately, innocent followers of the rules also become victims.

 

If only the idiots breaking the rules and spreading the virus were eliminated by the virus it would be a useful evolutionary effect. Unfortunately, innocent followers of the rules also become victims.

We wont know what is evolutionary beneficial for a while yet. If the idiots spreading the virus survive the virus to reproduce, their genes must have something to offer?