https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/health/covid-vaccine-fda-eua/index.html
FDA issues emergency use authorization for Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...ng-emergency-use-authorization-first-covid-19

 

Late Friday, a high-ranking White House official told the FDA chief he could face firing if the vaccine was not cleared by day’s end.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-t...rus-pandemic-0902fbb041b0459e55da86be75b1457a

 

Late Friday, a high-ranking White House official told the FDA chief he could face firing if the vaccine was not cleared by day’s end.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-t...rus-pandemic-0902fbb041b0459e55da86be75b1457a

People are dying by the thousands daily in a national emergency.
I don't see a problem lighting a fire on the guy's behind.

 

My aunt died just last night no symptoms
It was covid-19 my sister first grade teacher has covid-19 we all live together I probably have it I feel fine no cough no nothing. I don't even know why I'm telling any of you any of this.
Hold your loved ones tight ;because tomorrow they may be gone.i'm filled with anger Rage want to put a face on it & destroy it Rip & tear it apart with my bare hands.

 

My aunt died just last night no symptoms
It was covid-19 my sister first grade teacher has covid-19 we all live together I probably have it I feel fine no cough no nothing. I don't even know why I'm telling any of you any of this.
Hold your loved ones tight ;because tomorrow they may be gone.i'm filled with anger Rage want to put a face on it & destroy it Rip & tear it apart with my bare hands.

I'm truly sorry about your loss, Delta... if your aunt had no symptoms, did she pass away due to CV19 or something else?

 

My aunt died just last night no symptoms

Are you kidding the significance, first I’ll just say I’m sorry to hear about your Aunt but it is worth while to let other people know that you can die without symptoms.

I never knew it was possible.

kv

 

Are you kidding the significance, first I’ll just say I’m sorry to hear about your Aunt but it is worth while to let other people know that you can die without symptoms.

I never knew it was possible.

kv

I'm going to take a wild guess -- and I accept I may be far off base: she had a serious prior (either known or unknown) heart condition.

It is already established that Wuhan can cause sudden death in cardiac patients. Sorry, I don't have a reference.

 

Skip the Useless Covid-19 Rules, Please

https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/which-covid-19-rules-are-useless-too-many-of-them

Unfortunately, “useless” rules aren’t defined well. The definition is based more on opinion rather than fact. Coronavirus mitigation is a multi-dimensional problem.

But on a higher level, Massachusetts had the first super-spreader event. In the early pandemic, it was in the top three states of deaths. The governor’s strict response angered (angers) many residents, but Massachusetts quickly recovered. Faster than New York and New Jersey.

I’ll agree that individual freedoms were/are being compromised. But temporarily for the greatest good. Up until this past weekend, we could enjoy indoor and outdoor dining, go to the gym, participate in live music performances. I had to wear a mask and socially distance, but had fairly normal and the freedom for choices.

Much of the effect on business was not due to the restrictions, but of customers exercising their freedom and choosing not to place themselves at risk.

From my perspective in Massachusetts, the major block of freedom, comes from people making selfish decisions and political infighting. Businesses can be supported by programs such as PPP but they have been politically terminated. If we can pay farmers not to grow crops, why not pay business rents and payroll not to open.

Like I said, this is a multi-dimensional problem being judged by single sided viewpoints.

 

I'm going to take a wild guess -- and I accept I may be far off base: she had a serious prior (either known or unknown) heart condition.

It is already established that Wuhan can cause sudden death in cardiac patients. Sorry, I don't have a reference.

So if you were to shoot an elderly cardiac patient in the street, it’s justified because they were going to die anyway?

 

So if you were to shoot an elderly cardiac patient in the street, it’s justified because they were going to die anyway?

There is a perspective that is getting lost now as every cause of death is attributed to COVID.

Aneurysm = COVID
Died in your sleep = COVID
No matter the false positive tests or lack of symptoms...

Lets look in the past. Many yeara ago my 16 year old cousin died suddenly after a bunch of bullies made him chain smoke a pack of cigarettes. He died of heart failure. Similarly my 45 year old friend died suddenly of aneurysm, he was a perfectly healthy man involved in sports etc. I myself fall under a category of people with a higher chance of dying in my sleep. So if I happen to die in my sleep tonight, i guess there will at least be an explanation - COVID - that is a comforting thought.

 

So if you were to shoot an elderly cardiac patient in the street, it’s justified because they were going to die anyway?

I knew your were going to take offense at my comment even though none was intended. And I certainly don't think anyone deserves to die*. Life is one's most important possession -- including the right to live it.

I am sorry for your loss, but I speak my mind regardless of the consequences.

In this case, I was speaking specifically to @killivolt's assertion of "I never knew it was possible." The data says it is. I made no judgement regarding anyone of any condition.

*Edit: unless they maliciously attempt to -- or succeed at -- taking someone else's life.

 

I knew your were going to take offense at my comment even though none was intended. And I certainly don't think anyone deserves to die*. Life is one's most important possession -- including the right to live it.

I am sorry for your loss, but I speak my mind regardless of the consequences.

In this case, I was speaking specifically to @killivolt's assertion of "I never knew it was possible." The data says it is. I made no judgement regarding anyone of any condition.

*Edit: unless they maliciously attempt to -- or succeed at -- taking someone else's life.

I knew you would speak your mind regardless of the consequences

 

Unfortunately, “useless” rules aren’t defined well. The definition is based more on opinion rather than fact. Coronavirus mitigation is a multi-dimensional problem.

But on a higher level, Massachusetts had the first super-spreader event. In the early pandemic, it was in the top three states of deaths. The governor’s strict response angered (angers) many residents, but Massachusetts quickly recovered. Faster than New York and New Jersey.

I’ll agree that individual freedoms were/are being compromised. But temporarily for the greatest good. Up until this past weekend, we could enjoy indoor and outdoor dining, go to the gym, participate in live music performances. I had to wear a mask and socially distance, but had fairly normal and the freedom for choices.

Much of the effect on business was not due to the restrictions, but of customers exercising their freedom and choosing not to place themselves at risk.

From my perspective in Massachusetts, the major block of freedom, comes from people making selfish decisions and political infighting. Businesses can be supported by programs such as PPP but they have been politically terminated. If we can pay farmers not to grow crops, why not pay business rents and payroll not to open.

Like I said, this is a multi-dimensional problem being judged by single sided viewpoints.

Old geezers like us are not the problem. Most of the cases are in the young who spread it to the older population that are taking precautions.

I would define 'useless' here in the same sense as the 55mph national speed limit. This one law created and instilled a ongoing level of law breaking that IMO vastly superseded any possible good the scientific rational for it's existence could have modeled. Multi-dimensional problems can be created by single sided scientific fact-based viewpoints that lack true risk to value judgments and at times a simple common sense of human behaviors when arbitrary rules are dumped on our head.

People (mainly young people) are seeing that some of these restrictions are becoming pandemic theater under current conditions (banning outdoor dining in winter is a good example), a lot more show than actual action as we have a repeat of the early pandemic case explosion with thankfully far fewer deaths. Useless Coronavirus temperature scans are also in the mix. If the actual risk of outdoor dining with proper masks, cleaning, spacing and precautions is too risky then the private household and social gatherings to replace indoor dining must be deadly.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local...nts-to-remain-open-amid-spike-in-virus-cases/

DeSantis referenced a recent contact tracing study done in New York that found restaurants and bars accounted for 1.43% of COVID-19 cases recorded between September through the end of November. The study found that nearly 75% of COVID-19 cases were spread through private gatherings.

“It doesn’t mean it can’t happen here. But I think we have to understand the vast, vast majority of infections are occurring in people’s homes, particularly if you have people getting together,” DeSantis said.

https://ny.eater.com/2020/12/11/22169841/restaurants-and-bars-coronavirus-spread-data-new-york

Following multiple calls from restaurant industry trade groups demanding more transparency with the state’s COVID-19 contact tracing data, Gov. Andrew Cuomo released a detailed breakdown during a press conference on Friday showing how COVID-19 is spreading throughout the state.

Restaurants and bars accounted for 1.43 percent of COVID-19 cases recorded between September through the end of November, according to contact tracing data.

The figure places the industry as the fifth-largest contributor to spreading COVID-19 in the state, following education employees (1.5 percent), higher-education students (2.02 percent), and healthcare delivery (7.81 percent).

The largest contributor to COVID-19 spread in New York, by far, is private household and social gatherings. According to the state, 73.84 percent of COVID-19 cases spread through private gatherings.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...asio-presses-for-second-total-lockdown-in-nyc

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) reiterated his belief Tuesday that the city needs to go into a full lockdown as COVID-19 cases continue to rise.

"Clearly these numbers are going in the wrong direction," de Blasio said, according to NBC4 New York. "Unfortunately, and I don't say it with anything but sorrow, but I do think it's needed. We're going to need to do some kind of shutdown in the weeks ahead, something that resembles the pause we were in in the spring.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/is-massachusetts-headed-for-another-shutdown/2256562/

Even as the first doses of the coronavirus vaccine arrive in Massachusetts, the number of cases continues to skyrocket.

And with widespread vaccination still months away, health experts and doctors say it may not be long before a total shutdown of the state's economy becomes necessary.

https://abc7news.com/health/ca-has-refrigerators-body-bags-on-standby-newsom-says/8796627/

California has placed an order for 5,000 additional body bags and has 60 53-foot refrigerators on standby at hospitals around the state. This comes as daily coronavirus deaths are four times higher than they were one month ago.


"We're going through perhaps the most intense and urgent moment since the beginning of this pandemic," Newsom said.

To combat this third and biggest surge of COVID-19, California is establishing medical overflow facilities and upping intensive care staffing.

 

Are you kidding the significance, first I’ll just say I’m sorry to hear about your Aunt but it is worth while to let other people know that you can die without symptoms.

I never knew it was possible.

That is quite rare actually. Usually there will be some very strong indicator, although the symptoms can be pretty strange. (Loss of taste with mild headache and fever, for example.)

Fatalities should continue to drop however, and in fact by years end it looks like the overall death rate should be only moderately higher than average (the Spanish flu, by contrast, affected worldwide rates much more heavily).

As far as risk mitigation, we just need to observe some basic rules of thumb. IF YOU HAVE AN FRIEND OR RELATIVE WHO IS ELDERLY OR WITH PREEXISTING CONDITIONS PLEASE ENCOURAGE THEM TO STAY AT HOME IF POSSIBLE, LIMIT VISITS, AND SANITIZE EVERYTHING COMING INTO THE HOUSE. Respirators are also problematic with upward 90%+ of patients dying while intubated. Ditto for ACE inhibitors IMO they aren't worth the additional risk.

 

Reopening with a reduced maximum occupancy

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2923-3

However, reducing the maximum occupancy substantially reduced the risk without sharply reducing overall mobility: capping at 20% of the maximum occupancy in the Chicago metro area reduced the predicted number of new infections by more than 80% but only lost 42% of overall visits, and we observed similar trends across other metro areas (Extended Data Fig. 3). This result highlights the nonlinearity of the predicted number of infections as a function of the number of visits: one can achieve a disproportionately large reduction in infections with a small reduction in visits.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/16/opinion/coronavirus-shutdown-strategies.html

The Magic Number for Reducing Infections and Keeping Businesses Open

 

Troll alert.

 

Troll alert.

You certainly do.

 

You certainly do.

Troll Alert.

 

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take a hike

Troll Alert.