maybe we can get China to change its practices...

Don't count on it. It seems they are expecting blow-back and are planning for it.

I heard through the grapevine that they are beginning to buy manufacturing properties in India. I suspect on the chance that Americans begin to refuse to purchase products from China (which is beginning to happen -- I know this first hand).

 

Don't count on it. It seems they are expecting blow-back and are planning for it.

I heard through the grapevine that they are beginning to buy manufacturing properties in India. I suspect on the chance that Americans begin to refuse to purchase products from China (which is beginning to happen -- I know this first hand).

I've made it a point to avoid (at times you have no viable alternatives) buying work related products from China for years.

 

Interesting history.
https://www.history.com/news/china-epicenter-of-1918-flu-pandemic-historian-says

According to a new article published in the January 2014 issue of the journal War in History, historian Mark Humphries of Canada’s Memorial University of Newfoundland points to newly unearthed records to make the case that the lethal influenza pandemic first appeared in China in 1917 and then exploded across the globe “as previously isolated populations came into contact with one another on the battlefields of Europe.”
Humphries, author of “The Last Plague: Spanish Influenza and the Politics of Public Health in Canada,” writes that victims of a mysterious respiratory disease that broke out in northern China in November 1917 suffered many of the same symptoms as those of the “Spanish flu.” Doctors reported that patients turned blue from a lack of oxygen, coughed up blood and suffered from fevers, headaches, pneumonia and shortness of breath. The highly contagious and deadly disease was particularly unusual in that it killed otherwise healthy adults between the ages of 18 and 40 by seemingly turning their strong immune systems against them. However, with no solid scientific evidence of the outbreak’s cause, local Chinese health officials labeled it “winter sickness” and chose not to quarantine citizens or enact travel restrictions.

How would have the influenza strain spread from China to North America and Europe? Humphries points to a historical footnote from World War I—the shipment of 94,000 laborers from northern China to southern England and France to free up able-bodied British and French citizens to fight on the front lines of the Western Front. During the winter of 1917, upwards of 20,000 workers a month from the plague-infected area of China arrived in the British-leased port city of Weihaiwei to become part of the Chinese Labor Corps. They were packed into crowded barracks, which were breeding grounds for influenza. Although the British were aware of the outbreaks at their barracks, they still shipped out the Chinese workers.
The Chinese Labor Corps was originally transported around Africa or by way of the Suez Canal, but as resources were diverted to troop transports, the British needed an alternative route to Europe. Canada gave its assent for the Chinese laborers to land in Vancouver, travel across the country by train and depart for Europe from the Atlantic port of Halifax. However, with nativist feelings running high in wartime Canada and fears that the Chinese laborers might attempt to escape inside their country, Canadian authorities kept the operation secret, banning coverage of it in the press and placing special army guards inside sealed train cars with the Chinese workers and stationing them at camps encased in barbed wire.
Humphries found medical records indicating that more than 3,000 of the 25,000 Chinese Labor Corps workers transported across Canada beginning in 1917 ended up in medical quarantine, many with flu-like symptoms. The influenza ripped through the Canadian guards and soon took root in North America. “Ethnocentric fears—both official and popular—facilitated its spread along military pathways that had been carved out across the globe to sustain the war effort on the Western Front,” Humphries write.

Hundreds of the Chinese who continued on to Europe died there of respiratory illness, and the influenza they brought with them “mutated and then exploded along the sinews of war,” according to the journal article. The flu outbreak that came from China boomeranged back to North America and then across the Pacific Ocean. This deadly wave, however, proved much less lethal in China than the mysterious illness that broke out in 1917, which Humphries points to as potential proof that it was the epicenter of the outbreak because it suggests “some immunity was at large in the population because of earlier exposure to the virus.”
The mystery of the origins of the “Spanish flu,” is not totally solved, however. “Only DNA testing of samples from these earlier outbreaks can truly confirm or deny the theory,” Humphries acknowledges.

 

Interesting history.
https://www.history.com/news/china-epicenter-of-1918-flu-pandemic-historian-says

Hi,

From what i understand it goes back even farther than that. It's surprising nothing was ever done about this before this point in time.

 

Don't count on it. It seems they are expecting blow-back and are planning for it.

I heard through the grapevine that they are beginning to buy manufacturing properties in India. I suspect on the chance that Americans begin to refuse to purchase products from China (which is beginning to happen -- I know this first hand).

Hi,

Yeah good point, and they are also meddling into Hong Kong again trying to get more control and that would hurt Hong Kong's imports/exports too. I am not sure what the US' options are for stopping this yet.

 

My grandfather was 25 in 1918 and he and his same age neighbor took care of each other being sick. According to mom, he told her that it got so bad he thought he was going to die, and then it got worse and he wished he did. Unfortunately she doesn't have any information as to symptoms they had.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/n...port-denouncing-corona-as-global-false-alarm/

This guy really went off the reservation.

Corona essentially kills the people who statistically die this year because they have reached the end of their lives and their weakened bodies can no longer cope with any random everyday stress (including the approximately 150 viruses currently in circulation).

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...t-china-earlier-researchers/story?id=71123270

Using techniques similar to those employed by intelligence agencies, the research team behind the study analyzed commercial satellite imagery and "observed a dramatic increase in hospital traffic outside five major Wuhan hospitals beginning late summer and early fall 2019," according to Dr. John Brownstein, the Harvard Medical professor who led the research.


Brownstein, an ABC News contributor, said the traffic increase also "coincided with" elevated queries on a Chinese internet search for "certain symptoms that would later be determined as closely associated with the novel coronavirus."

 

WHO Says Covid-19 Asymptomatic Transmission Is ‘Very Rare’

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...t-china-earlier-researchers/story?id=71123270

... a pants on fire sort of situation

 

The point she made about "asymptomatic" cases may still have some signs of the disease is to be expected. Of course they do. One should be able to detect viral particles or epitopes in the "infected but feeling well" and as well as antibodies later. An individual who has mild physical and/or non-specific signs, such as mild cough, headache, loose stools, or temperature about which they are not concerned is still "asymptomatic." That basically defines the difference between "symptom" and "sign."

That is also why physicians are trained to phrase questions such a patient needs to respond, "no," for significant signs. It is well known that patients tend to agree when a physician asks leading questions.

As for the rest, at the earliest stage of discussing this disease, I promoted the need to test the "walking but infected." That is, the asymptomatic contacts as well as a proportion of the population with no known contacts. I was of the opinion and still am that when testing must be rationed, as it was early on, and we know very little about the disease, one should focus on learning about the disease, not on documenting that those who were clinically ill and fit a case description actually had Covid-19. Those people needed to be treated clinically. Knowing a specific diagnosis did not change treatment as there is no specific treatment for it (yet).

The phrase I used was that our government was more interested in collecting statistics about those who almost certainty had the disease instead of saving lives and acquiring data necessary to draft a rational national response. It's a bit late, but nice to see that WHO feels we need that data too.

Given the fear and draconian predictions early on, February and March was not a time to do certain types of controlled experiments, but the opportunity to learn from experiments of nature was ignored. Take assessing the value of face masks, for example. None of Ohio's recommendations for physicians included recording whether a symptomatic or worried well patient routinely wore a face mask. We are now past the time when such data could be collected and compared with the general prevalence of mask wearing in the community.

 

WHO Says Covid-19 Asymptomatic Transmission Is ‘Very Rare’

Update:

"In that I used the phrase 'very rare,' and I think that's a misunderstanding to state that asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare," she said. "What I was referring to is a subset of studies."

 

Update:

"In that I used the phrase 'very rare,' and I think that's a misunderstanding to state that asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare," she said. "What I was referring to is a subset of studies."

I have ears and eyes, she was pretty specific that tracking and controlling symptomatic carriers should be the highest priority so I understood her remarks to be mainly about how contact tracing resources should be used when asymptomatic people are identified during a tracing.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e1.htm

Of course asymptomatic transmission is likely rare (as shown in those studies) in a disease that spreads (as we know now by scientific evidence, so wearing masks and distancing precautions are important) by the symptoms of the disease like Cough, Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, Congestion or runny nose, Nausea or vomiting, etc ... when the body virus load is high.

Without those transmission means the low level of virus in most asymptomatic carriers remains within them until the body destroys it unless (a)symptomatic you and hundreds of others like you are yelling at the top of your lungs at a protest march with aerosolization, and face-to-face contact on a mass scale.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ikely-hit-lightning-die-coronavirus-oxbridge/

School children under the age of 15 are more likely to be hit by lightning than die from coronavirus, new figures suggest, amid mounting pressure for the government to get more to get pupils back into classrooms as quickly as possible.

Scientists from the universities of Cambridge and Oxford have called for "rational debate" based on the "tiny" risk to children and have suggested that if no vaccine is found in the future then it may be better for younger people to continue with their lives while shielding the more vulnerable.

 

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/202...ia-hot-weather-complicates-face-mask-wearing/

But add the COVID-19 precaution of having to wear a mask, and Yvette says, “It’s like suffocating. Absolutely suffocating.”

 

Just went to Costco to by some prescription eyeglasses. They were open and serving, they just didn't have the frames or lenses I was looking for.

Went to Wally World next door. Eyeglass shop is closed: they say the city won't let them sell frames on account of Wuhan.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ikely-hit-lightning-die-coronavirus-oxbridge/

Another interesting fact, the vast majority of those who are dying from COVID also happen to be taking ACE inhibitors such as Lisinopril, Losartan, etc.

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.c...-link-ace-inhibitors-severe-covid-19-symptoms

 

Another interesting fact, the vast majority of those who are dying from COVID also happen to be taking ACE inhibitors such as Lisinopril, Losartan, etc.

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.c...-link-ace-inhibitors-severe-covid-19-symptoms

Maybe it's because most are old and sick with preexisting vascular conditions that SARS-CoV-2 sees as a tropical paradise to multiply in. Cause and effect of preexisting treatments that extended life until COVID-19 reaped them.

 

Just went to Costco to by some prescription eyeglasses. They were open and serving, they just didn't have the frames or lenses I was looking for.

Went to Wally World next door. Eyeglass shop is closed: they say the city won't let them sell frames on account of Wuhan.

Yes that is the opposite of the beauty of it. The draconian laws that came into effect just because there is a virus. The laws are completely arbitrary according to the whim of whomever passes them down.
We dont have any protection against this kind of thing. We need some.

I was surprised to see the dollar store near here having a stock of bleach that filled all the shelves in that area. Wow, that's amazing. Still missing some items though like dinner napkins.

 

Maybe it's because most are old and sick with preexisting vascular conditions that SARS-CoV-2 sees as a tropical paradise to multiply in. Cause and effect of preexisting treatments that extended life until COVID-19 reaped them.

Point is, ACE inhibitors seem to increase the severity of COVID several-fold. And unfortunately, these types of meds also turn out to be some of the most prescribed, worldwide. (Lisinopril for example is like #3)

 

Point is, ACE inhibitors seem to increase the severity of COVID several-fold. And unfortunately, these types of meds also turn out to be some of the most prescribed, worldwide. (Lisinopril for example is like #3)

And have saved many fold the lives lost from COVID-19 over the years they have been prescribed, worldwide. Much the lesser of two evils as the pandemic will end but the need for ACE inhibitors won't.