https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...plan-to-fight-nursing-home-outbreaks/2386556/

Preliminary results from New York's first coronavirus antibody study show nearly 14 percent tested positive, meaning they had the virus at some point and recovered, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Thursday. That equates to 2.7 million infections statewide -- more than 10 times the state's confirmed cases.

The study, part of Cuomo's "aggressive" antibody testing launched earlier this week, is based on 3,000 random samples from 40 locations in 19 counties. While the preliminary data suggests much more widespread infection, it means New York's mortality rate is much lower than previously thought.
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New York City had a higher rate of antibodies (21.2 percent) than anywhere else in the state and accounted for 43 percent of the total tested.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-singapore-lost-control-second-wave-2020-4

 

I have read that 80 percent of people had very minor symptoms. Some had it and did not even know it.
There are so many factors that go into the course the virus takes.

 

My proclamation: It's time to end the panic and the shutdown. The snake in our sleeping bag has turned out to be almost toothless.

Treat with prophylactic vitamin D, protect the old folks, move on.

It's looking to be less dangerous than the flu. A lot of people don't even bother to vaccinate themselves from that. No need to wait for the Wuhan vaccine.

Your toothless snake has take three relatives from our family. I personally know three another victims who have lost their life.

I respect your opinion however. Go out. Go shopping. Go bowling, drinking with your buddies and sun at the beach.

But send me your stimulus check. You obviously don’t want it. And while you’re at it, my family has several large medical bills to pay, which I’m sure you won’t mind paying. And really, while you at it, their families can use help paying for the funeral expenses.

I know that you’re an intelligent person. It’s the other idiots who didn’t follow the rules, didn’t practice social distancing, weren’t careful, who passed the virus to my friends and family that will pay.

God forgive them.

 

I have read that 80 percent of people had very minor symptoms. Some had it and did not even know it.
There are so many factors that go into the course the virus takes.

And those with minor symptoms will pass the virus along to a compromised individual, an older person, a child. And THAT person will die. Enjoy the beach, but I believe if the virus is tracked to you, you should be arrested for manslaughter.

 

I have read that 80 percent of people had very minor symptoms. Some had it and did not even know it.
There are so many factors that go into the course the virus takes.

That is also my read. Now combine that with the fact that doctors all have differing opinions nobody knows who or what to believe. Then NYC had about 2,700 corpses who actually died of unknown causes and were never tested for the virus but in en effort to do something, do anything they attributed the cause of death to the virus. Many of the dead already had assorted serious pre existing conditions. Enter politicians who actually know the least but are running their mouths more than everyone else as if they actually know something. This is just plain out of control crazy.

Ron

 

Your toothless snake has take three relatives from our family. I personally know three another victims who have lost their life.

I respect your opinion however. Go out. Go shopping. Go bowling, drinking with your buddies and sun at the beach.

But send me your stimulus check. You obviously don’t want it. And while you’re at it, my family has several large medical bills to pay, which I’m sure you won’t mind paying. And really, while you at it, their families can use help paying for the funeral expenses.

I know that you’re an intelligent person. It’s the other idiots who didn’t follow the rules, didn’t practice social distancing, weren’t careful, who passed the virus to my friends and family that will pay.

God forgive them.

My condolences. To date I have no personal experience with it. Nobody I know, that I am aware of, diagnosed with it and nobody I know has died from it. May I ask if those you lost had pre existing conditions and their ages? I am 70 and the lungs are not what they once were. Yes, COPD which just puts me at higher risk and my wife being treated cancer has less an immune system. That said I am not going to indefinitely remain a prisoner in my own home.

Ron

 

And those with minor symptoms will pass the virus along to a compromised individual, an older person, a child. And THAT person will die. Enjoy the beach, but I believe if the virus is tracked to you, you should be arrested for manslaughter.

Yeah. But we cant protect the whole world at the cost of financial collapse or the death toll will rise to millions not thousands. People are already committing suicide because of the constraints imposed by gov. It's a multivariate optimization problem not a single variable and right now cov-19 death rate is all that is being considered blind to other death rates. They are starting to look into this now but it is taking some time.

 

That is also my read. Now combine that with the fact that doctors all have differing opinions nobody knows who or what to believe. Then NYC had about 2,700 corpses who actually died of unknown causes and were never tested for the virus but in en effort to do something, do anything they attributed the cause of death to the virus. Many of the dead already had assorted serious pre existing conditions. Enter politicians who actually know the least but are running their mouths more than everyone else as if they actually know something. This is just plain out of control crazy.

Ron

Yeah, and i am somewhat older but i still think it is being over done
Some people depend on going to church too for their lives to work right. It they cant go it could be very sad for them.
It's time to loosen the restraints on the public.
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And those with minor symptoms will pass the virus along to a compromised individual, an older person, a child. And THAT person will die. Enjoy the beach, but I believe if the virus is tracked to you, you should be arrested for manslaughter.

Considering Wuhan virus is not going to go away, what is your solution?

 

Considering Wuhan virus is not going to go away, what is your solution?

I’m not an elected official, so I don’t have the resources to present a solution.

Work-at-home opportunities should be expanded. Instead of handouts, temporary tax regulations should be used to enhance working-from-home. Only if they are results and not promised based. If you do this and a review confirms the added value, a percentage of that value should be returned via a tax credit. No more gift handouts. Those providing financial assistance must be given the authority to manage the assistance.

Restaurants should be encouraged to switch over to a take out model. The online infrastructure already exists. Again, tax credits to those providing the infrastructure should be given based on results; overall value to the economy. The same oversight requirements apply.

Real, massive testing should take place. Current testing is inhibited because of the infighting between the administration and the world. With “massive” testing, perhaps we can open up the schools.

Contact tracing should become the law of the land. Data collected must be anonymized and expire at the end of the crisis.

Massive cultural education is needed. We can’t return to normal, BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT NORMAL TIMES. Citizens complaining about their loss of freedom should consider the freedom of those who get infected. What they are clamoring for us actually taking rights away from others.

 

Massive cultural education is needed. We can’t return to normal, BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT NORMAL TIMES. Citizens complaining about their loss of freedom should consider the freedom of those who get infected. What they are clamoring for us actually taking rights away from others.

There must be a balance for the 80% that are not at high risk. It's selfish and counterproductive for boomers and older to ask the 50 unders to create a impersonal world of normalized isolation now that we know it's not the only solution (Sweden's model).
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-...ockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html

Freedom is all about risks and I and others didn't spend years defending freedom to give up on it for some damn highly contagious but low general population mortality virus.

 

I’m not an elected official, so I don’t have the resources to present a solution.

Work-at-home opportunities should be expanded. Instead of handouts, temporary tax regulations should be used to enhance working-from-home. Only if they are results and not promised based. If you do this and a review confirms the added value, a percentage of that value should be returned via a tax credit. No more gift handouts. Those providing financial assistance must be given the authority to manage the assistance.

Restaurants should be encouraged to switch over to a take out model. The online infrastructure already exists. Again, tax credits to those providing the infrastructure should be given based on results; overall value to the economy. The same oversight requirements apply.

Real, massive testing should take place. Current testing is inhibited because of the infighting between the administration and the world. With “massive” testing, perhaps we can open up the schools.

Contact tracing should become the law of the land. Data collected must be anonymized and expire at the end of the crisis.

Massive cultural education is needed. We can’t return to normal, BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT NORMAL TIMES. Citizens complaining about their loss of freedom should consider the freedom of those who get infected. What they are clamoring for us actually taking rights away from others.

Give it a break, many people can't work from home extending well beyond restaurants. Do even have a clue the revenue being lost right now at the state and federal level? The government is writing checks with an ego we can't cover so we just print more paper money. Nobody can afford this and Americans are not easily told to just stay home in their houses. Not the first and likely not the last pandemic with a high death rate. Now here is the real problem, don't tell me I am somehow responsible for your life. You want to stay in then fine, no need to worry about what others are doing since you decided to stay in. When does it end or where does it end? I am tired of people who know apparently less than me telling me what is good for me. Yes, these are not normal times and spare us the capitalization to make your point. Normal times will never return as long as people run around yelling the sky is falling. Now I don't care what you choose to do but please refrain from telling me how I should run my life. I don't tell you what to do. Typical mindset of it should be how you figure it should be.

Ron

 

There must be a balance for the 80% that are not at high risk. It's selfish and counterproductive for boomers and older to ask the 50 unders to create a impersonal world of normalized isolation now that we know it's not the only solution. Freedom is all about risks and I and others didn't spend years defending freedom to give up on it for some damn highly contagious but low general population mortality virus.

Hey, my wife and I are with you on this and both higher risk and both over 70. I place a value on my freedom.

Ron

 

I’m not an elected official, so I don’t have the resources to present a solution.

Work-at-home opportunities should be expanded. Instead of handouts, temporary tax regulations should be used to enhance working-from-home. Only if they are results and not promised based. If you do this and a review confirms the added value, a percentage of that value should be returned via a tax credit. No more gift handouts. Those providing financial assistance must be given the authority to manage the assistance.

Restaurants should be encouraged to switch over to a take out model. The online infrastructure already exists. Again, tax credits to those providing the infrastructure should be given based on results; overall value to the economy. The same oversight requirements apply.

Real, massive testing should take place. Current testing is inhibited because of the infighting between the administration and the world. With “massive” testing, perhaps we can open up the schools.

Contact tracing should become the law of the land. Data collected must be anonymized and expire at the end of the crisis.

Massive cultural education is needed. We can’t return to normal, BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT NORMAL TIMES. Citizens complaining about their loss of freedom should consider the freedom of those who get infected. What they are clamoring for us actually taking rights away from others.

What are you planning to do when, after 2 years of lockdown, it will turn out that best vaccine possible is no more effective than our current flu vaccine? And that they cannot guarantee immunity for even a year since there is no data?

What is the logic here? Yes life is precious. Given what I see, the price society is paying to protect the few who are in true danger is far too great.

If anything thia actually exposed how truely aweful tue practice of dumping parents at long term care is. If you have aging family memebers, donthe right thing and care for them at home

 

Hey, my wife and I are with you on this and both higher risk and both over 70. I place a value on my freedom.

Ron

Not to be melodramatic but the classic movie trope is to pick the least bad of two bad options.

 

I’m not an elected official, so I don’t have the resources to present a solution.

Work-at-home opportunities should be expanded. Instead of handouts, temporary tax regulations should be used to enhance working-from-home. Only if they are results and not promised based. If you do this and a review confirms the added value, a percentage of that value should be returned via a tax credit. No more gift handouts. Those providing financial assistance must be given the authority to manage the assistance.

Restaurants should be encouraged to switch over to a take out model. The online infrastructure already exists. Again, tax credits to those providing the infrastructure should be given based on results; overall value to the economy. The same oversight requirements apply.

Real, massive testing should take place. Current testing is inhibited because of the infighting between the administration and the world. With “massive” testing, perhaps we can open up the schools.

Contact tracing should become the law of the land. Data collected must be anonymized and expire at the end of the crisis.

Massive cultural education is needed. We can’t return to normal, BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT NORMAL TIMES. Citizens complaining about their loss of freedom should consider the freedom of those who get infected. What they are clamoring for us actually taking rights away from others.

What's the point? We are all going to be dead of AGW in 12 years, anyway.

Life is for the living.

 

Re: phasing-out of the 'shutdown' -- Agreed! But let's be very, very, certain we're well within the 'surge capacity' of the healthcare infrastructure - and not merely that of heavily urbanized areas!

That said, indeed! Time is of the essence! I shouldn't think I'd need remind anyone that healthcare is part of the economy! Should the latter collapse, the toll in morbidity and mortality owed [otherwise] trivial complaints --even injuries-- alone, would make SARS-CoV-2 appear 'sweet and charming' by comparison....

Best regards
HP

 

Should the latter collapse...

It's already collapsing. Doctors and nurses are being laid off in droves all over the country. Hospitals are going bankrupt from lack of elective surgery.

In the end, all that'll be left is gov't provided healthcare. Welcome to the VA.

 

Your toothless snake has take three relatives from our family. I personally know three another victims who have lost their life.

The fatality rate is looking to be about 0.8% of tested people (which so far is a sampled population biased towards people with symptoms). That’s 8 in a thousand. For you to know 6 is remarkable. You move in larger circles than I do. I don’t even know of anyone with a positive test.