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jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
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Money laundering. How many of those taxpayer dollars came back as campaign donations or other favors to the politician(s) that sent the money to China?
As much as I have suspicions, I really don't think that was involved. Maybe I am just to naive.

However, NIH grants always are divided into direct and indirect (administrative ) costs. Indirect costs are not a trivial part. If one considers that the maximum R01 grant is $250,000 per year for 5 years for direct costs, and if only one such grant was given, that leaves a minimum of 3.7 - 1.25 = $2.45 million to the Chinese Communist Party. NB: There may be two R01 grants involved. The only one I tracked was R01AI 110964 which is acknowledged in this paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0010-9
 

sagor

Joined Mar 10, 2019
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Everclear was the first alcohol I ever drank. Freshman year in college... bathtub in the basement... cheap grape juice... Purple Jesus’!
My God, you drank Purple Jesus as well? We had that at dorm parties, where a plastic garbage can was full of the stuff, and they took that garbage can up and down with the elevator in the residence, stopping at each floor of course.
Only thing I remember is the morning after, "Jesus, what the heck was that purple stuff??" Well, maybe it was early afternoon...
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-analysis-recommends-less-reliance-on-ventilators/
By using ventilators more sparingly on Covid-19 patients, physicians could reduce the more-than-50% death rate for those put on the machines, according to an analysis published Tuesday in the American Journal of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene.

The authors argue that physicians need a new playbook for when to use ventilators for Covid-19 patients a message consistent with new treatment guidelines issued Tuesday by the National Institutes of Health, which advocates a phased approach to breathing support that would defer the use of ventilators if possible.
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There is a growing recognition that some Covid-19 patients, even those with severe disease as shown by the extent of lung infection, can be safely treated with simple nose prongs or face masks that deliver oxygen.The latter include CPAP (continuous positive airway pressure) masks used for sleep apnea, or BiPAP (bi-phasic positive airway pressure) masks used for congestive heart failure and other serious conditions. CPAP can also be delivered via hoods or helmets, reducing the risk that patients will expel large quantities of virus into the air and endanger health care workers.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Possibilities:

  • Vitamin D is prophylactic against severe Corona Virus infections
  • Vitamin D is indicative of other reasons: more time outdoors, more exercise, younger (drinks milk -- many of us old folks can not do this!)
  • Low Vitamin D is indicative of other co-morbidities: i.e. Osteoporosis.
  • Severe infections reduce Vitamin D concentrations in blood stream

And I am sure there are others.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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There are a number of articles on the vitamin D effect but it hasn't yet attracted the attention I believe it is due. As @joeyd999 notes, correlation is not causation. But most Americans are deficient in vitamin D anyway and have nothing to lose by getting up into that safer range.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.kptv.com/news/gov-brown...cle_5b7bc88e-8579-11ea-a845-1b9f3e236a8e.html
All hospitals, surgical centers, medical and dental offices will be able to resume non-urgent medical procedures on May 1, but they will have to follow new requirements for COVID-19 safety.

In March, Gov. Brown ordered Oregon hospitals to stop all non-emergency procedures to preserve supplies during the COVID-19 pandemic.
People are dying because other medical care is not getting done. Finally, my kid can get her braces I've already paid for. :(
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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My proclamation: It's time to end the panic and the shutdown. The snake in our sleeping bag has turned out to be almost toothless.

Treat with prophylactic vitamin D, protect the old folks, move on.

It's looking to be less dangerous than the flu. A lot of people don't even bother to vaccinate themselves from that. No need to wait for the Wuhan vaccine.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Did you mean cannot? I'm not sure we achieved much containment at all. We only got off easy because the Wuhan Red Death turns out to be the Wuhan mild nuisance.
I didn't say we stopped it but I think we did, as a shotgun approach, contain it from the most vulnerable population where the effects are not a mild nuisance.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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I'm curious as to why the "experts" think (or are trying to make us think) a continued shutdown is going to make Wuhan go away. It will not.

IMHO, Wuhan is with us for the long run, probably the same as typical flu. It's not just going to vanish on some arbitrary date after which everything goes back to normal.

Everyone will get infected eventually -- unless they have some innate genetic resistance to the virus. This assumes, of course, no vaccine. But a vaccine is at least a year away -- if ever. In that time, world-wide economic devastation will exceed any damage done by the virus itself.

Any curve flattening has been done -- most (mostly all? all?) hospitals are not getting overrun by mass casualties. People know how to continue to protect themselves, if they choose to. Time to open up and let nature take its course.
 
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