major pandemics have plagued the world many times as is known from many records.
the time scale is usually 50+ years between outbreaks and origin is normally not the same geographic region.

but this seem to have changed, with several major outbreaks such as:
1996 Bird Flu (H5N1)
2002 SARS
2009 Swine Flu (H1N1)
2013 Bird Flu (H7N9)
2019 Covid19

and there are also several others less known.

i don't know about you but it looks like something is brewing there and needs investigation.
is it also political to ask what the heck is going on, who is in charge and how do we stop this?

 

major pandemics have plagued the world many times as is known from many records.
the time scale is usually 50+ years between outbreaks and origin is normally not the same geographic region.

but this seem to have changed, with several major outbreaks such as:
1996 Bird Flu (H5N1)
2002 SARS
2009 Swine Flu (H1N1)
2013 Bird Flu (H7N9)
2019 Covid19

and there are also several others less known.

i don't know about you but it looks like something is brewing there and needs investigation.
is it also political to ask what the heck is going on, who is in charge and how do we stop this?

How long did the 1918 flu take to circle the world.
Imagine how more mobile we are now than then.
Would one expect viruses to spread easier and more frequent with more travel ?
You have also be selective missing out ebola , et all

 

How long did the 1918 flu take to circle the world.
Imagine how more mobile we are now than then.
Would one expect viruses to spread easier and more frequent with more travel ?
You have also be selective missing out ebola , et all

Spanish flu, Russian flue, Ebola, Hong Kong flue etc. are not forgotten.

But with exception of Ebola, they were not repeated outbreaks and did not start in the same place or time.
One could deem it prudent to also isolate Spain and Russia but i don't see a reason or calls to do so as there is no repeat of the pandemic.

Ebola is still an ongoing problem but at least it seem to be more or less contained to origin countries. I do not recall large number of cases outside Africa. Also so far nobody is claiming possibility that any of the African countries is doing any kind of Ebola research that could be characterized as gain of function research for potentially military use.

Finally, it would appear that vast number of new plagues in the last quarter of the century seem to be all arriving from one specific place. And yes, population size and mobility of modern humans were considered which is why i only listed pandemics in recent years, rather than going to Biblical times.

Am i missing something?

 

Spanish flu, Russian flue, Ebola, Hong Kong flue etc. are not forgotten. But with exception of Ebola, they did not start in the same place or time.
One could deem it prudent to also isolate Spain and Russia but i don't see a reason to do so as there is no repeat of the pandemic.
Ebola is still an ongoing problem but at least it seem to be more or less contained to origin countries. I do not recall large number of cases outside Africa. Also so far nobody is claiming possibility that any of the African countries is doing any kind of Ebola research that could be characterized as gain of function research for potentially military use.

Finally, it would appear that vast number of new plagues in the last quarter of the century seem to be all arriving from one specific place.

Am i missing something?

so what exactly are you saying ?

 

Spanish flu, Russian flue, Ebola, Hong Kong flue etc. are not forgotten. But with exception of Ebola, they did not start in the same place or time.
One could deem it prudent to also isolate Spain and Russia but i don't see a reason to do so as there is no repeat of the pandemic.
Ebola is still an ongoing problem but at least it seem to be more or less contained to origin countries. I do not recall large number of cases outside Africa.

It would appear that vast number of new plagues in the last quarter of the century seem to be all arriving from one specific place.
Am i missing something?

Asia has always been a birth-place of plagues. The jungle is a killer.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...o-many-epidemics-originate-in-asia-and-africa

I am a virologist and associate director of the Animal Diagnostic Laboratory at Penn State University, and my laboratory studies zoonotic viruses, those that jump from animals and infect people. Most of the pandemics have at least one thing in common: They began their deadly work in Asia or Africa. The reasons why may surprise you.
...
Tropical regions, rich in host biodiversity, already hold a large pool of pathogens, greatly increasing the chance that a novel pathogen will emerge. The farming system throughout Africa and Asia doesn't help.

 

i would not think that virologist working at Animal Diagnostics Lab would suggest anything else, otherwise they would have to change the name of the lab.

 

Lately the news every day says the very high number of new cases of Covid-19 and resulting new numbers of hospitalized and ICU patients.
But they no longer say how many are vaccinated and how many are antivaxxers because everybody knows that almost every new hospital or ICU patient is an antivaxxer with a severe Covid-19 infection.

Instead of working and doing things that normal vaccinated people can do, now the antivaxxers are protesting a curfew and are charged with a huge fine and maybe jail time.

The good news is that the few remaining antivaxxers here are getting vaccinated.
The antivaxxers in Africa and USA are getting severe long term symptoms of Covid-19.

 

hi panic mode,
As a reader of this thread, I am concerned that your posts are becoming close to being paranoid.

It was called Spanish because it was first reported in the Spanish news service, it started after/during WW1 when men and animals were packed close together, which most likely enabled a virus to cross species into man.

The reason they have names like bird flu, swine flu are because of the names of the species which naturally carried the virus.

Crowded and over extensive breeding of food animals and all the antibiotics we feed them are the recent major source of cross species viral infections.

Bats carry naturally carry the Covid virus, they are also eaten as food in some Asian countries.

As the human population increases it will create an even higher demand for animal protein, more intensive stock breeding and so the likelihood of more pandemic infections.

We as a species are providing the potential species breeding/crossing conditions for these viruses.

E

Footnote.
Check the World's human population density, it's highest in the Asian/China regions, which could account for the number of pandemics originating in those areas.

http://www.geography.learnontheinternet.co.uk/topics/popn1.html

 

Tropical regions, rich in host biodiversity, already hold a large pool of pathogens, greatly increasing the chance that a novel pathogen will emerge. The farming system throughout Africa and Asia doesn't help.

agreed...
the farming system does not help. finding where it comes from may help. government control of media and cover-up does not help. masking does not help. funding military programs with interest in new type virus does not help. current vaccine may have limited help. containing spread by isolating region before the spread may help. washing up, distancing and cooking your food may help.

since the current measures are less than satisfactory, maybe it is time to consider focusing on things that do help.

 

@erricgibbs

i am well aware of all stats you posted.

for a region that is a cradle of many pandemics, one would expect that there are mechanisms in place to deal with it better. but concealing it and still getting of scatt free is not good enough. and if they don't do better, rest of the world should not just shrug it off. there need to be better detection system and accountability for coverup. without it, what will stop Covid-25 and Covid-29? would it matter if we keep doing the same and those become much worse? doing the same and expecting different outcome is insanity.

 

hi pm,
Which 'cover up' are you referring too.?

Simple truth is that we are causing the problems, so what do you consider is the solution.?
E

 

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...-are-locked-down-again-and-thats-unacceptable

Ontarians did what was asked of them. They got vaccinated — many of them three times. Their kids got vaccinated. They followed all the rules. They lost out on so much, so many big life moments.

They went without seeing loved ones for months on end. They downloaded the vaccine passport QR app, which we were told would be what guaranteed no more lockdowns. And what happens after they do all of that, in the face of a milder variant: everything gets shut down and they’re told they must “do more”.
...

It is simply not acceptable that children should be denied schooling and society shut down because a G7 nation’s hospital system is somehow threatened by such volume.

Those in healthcare admin always offer some dismissive remark about how you can’t just snap your fingers and create new beds or procure new nurses.

“It’s just not that easy,” they parrot. Yet somehow they find it easy to crush the rest of society in one fell swoop.

 

agreed...
the farming system does not help. finding where it comes from may help. government control of media and cover-up does not help. masking does not help. funding military programs with interest in new type virus does not help. current vaccine may have limited help. containing spread by isolating region before the spread may help. washing up, distancing and cooking your food may help.

since the current measures are less than satisfactory, maybe it is time to consider focusing on things that do help.

Why do you say masks dont help with controling a virus that's on air born droplet's people cough out ?
Does a mask not minimise the distance and type of air born droplet's produced ?
I'd like to see any reports you have on why you say masks dont work to minimise transmission by people

 

Asia has always been a birth-place of plagues. The jungle is a killer.

The black plague in London in the 1600's has been proven to have been transmitted by rats.
Killed an estimated 100,000 people—almost a quarter of London's population—in 18 months.

 

A tip, Unless already been covered.
For the surgical and type KN95 masks, they have tested a efficient way of sterilizing for re-use.
Pour 60mL water in a glass container and cover with coarse mesh, I use cheese cloth, place in hi-power microwave for 3min.

 

hi pm,

Which 'cover up' are you referring too.?



Simple truth is that we are causing the problems, so what do you consider is the solution.?

E

transparency would be a good start.

hunting down journalists and doctors that tried alerting the world of the new outbrake is not a good thing. i understand not wanting panic but for region that is source of so many pandemics, suppressing information is not helping. this requires accountability.

also i recall videos of hospitals being built in China practically overnight, at least one of them collapsing and burying people since they were built in such a hurry, streets were washed down with some yellow liquid by people wearing plastic suits, secretly recorded and smuggled videos showed truckloads of corpses etc. but check the numbers now. it would look like China hardly knew anything about Covid. almost as if there was a coverup.

Chinese researchers from other countries (like Canada) secretly sending deadly viruses to China. this bombshell news was barely covered. even in Canada 99.99% of people are completely unaware of it.

search for animal that started Covid spread includes some 90000 species and - it was not found. since lab was also working for military and potentially also doing unethical work it is plausible that there may be nefarious motives behind the virus origin. this is also unconfirmed. it would be good to have independent group conduct own investigation. but CPP refused and current word leaders are not ready to leaning on China and demand independent investigation. perhaps some of the leaders may be in the pocket of China. almost as if there was a coverup.

governor of NY was packing up elderly care centers and constantly lying about the stats and falsifying numbers of dead. while complaining that there is not enough beds, he refused help in form of navy hospitals.

then there are hospitals, always on a hook for funding. if you don't do and say what is required from you, someone is going to be fired, ostracized and forgotten. also involved in falsifying data.
some keep protesting occupancy rate, blaming it on not vaccinated. and it is a known fact that hospitals are almost full or nearly full. good number of hospitalized are vaccinated. and as i was showing number of beds for Covid patients was very low - at least in my city (~1% of all beds, 0% ICUs). i don't know why but same member continues freaking out about number of hospital beds.

claims of vaccine safety and efficacy are widely exaggerated and unsupported. Covid is still out there and rampant even in places with high vaccination rates.

these inaccurate reports on numbers of cases, number of deaths and therapeutics efficacy are then used to force various mandates, lockdowns and firing of many people including essential workers.
pointing out that some the info is wrong is ignored as those in charge prefer to continue with suboptimal measures

 

Why do you say masks dont help with controling a virus that's on air born droplet's people cough out ?
Does a mask not minimise the distance and type of air born droplet's produced ?

i am sure it would for if one tries to spit. coughing produces some large droplets but also many more that are way smaller. normal breathing also produces droplets and those have no problem passing through the mask.

I'd like to see any reports you have on why you say masks dont work to minimise transmission by people

Define "mask" and read things already reported. Masks that do show some effectiveness do not rely just on density of fabric to stop the virus. if that was the case one would not be able to breath with the mask on that is fitted properly. So the better masks use additional means and coating electrostatic, nanotube or whatever. So there are different degrees of the masks that offer different degrees of protection. why don't you pick one that does the job well enough then tell us how many people use that type or something that is superior.

 

i am sure it would for if one tries to spit. coughing produces some large droplets but also many more that are way smaller. normal breathing also produces droplets and those have no problem passing through the mask.



Define "mask" and read things already reported. Masks that do show some effectiveness do not rely just on density of fabric to stop the virus. if that was the case one would not be able to breath with the mask on that is fitted properly. So the better masks use additional means and coating electrostatic, nanotube or whatever. So there are different degrees of the masks that offer different degrees of protection. why don't you pick one that does the job well enough then tell us how many people use that type or something that is superior.

I would still like to know why you say masks dint work and which scientific article your refering to please .

 

The black plague in London in the 1600's has been proven to have been transmitted by rats.
Killed an estimated 100,000 people—almost a quarter of London's population—in 18 months.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death_migration

Plague is caused by Yersinia pestis, and is enzootic (commonly present) in populations of ground rodents in Central Asia. The plague bacillus evolved more than 2,000 years ago near China, specifically in the Tian Shan mountains on the border between modern-day China and Kyrgyzstan.[1][2][3] The immediate origins of the Black Death are more uncertain. The pandemic has often been assumed to have started in China, but lack of physical and specific textual evidence for it in 14th century China has resulted in continued disputes on the origin to this day.[4] Other theories of origin place the first cases in the steppes of Central Asia or the Near East.[5] Historians Michael W. Dols and Ole Benedictow argue that the historical evidence concerning epidemics in the Mediterranean and specifically the Plague of Justinian point to a probability that the Black Death originated in Central Asia, where it then became entrenched among the rodent population.[6][7]

 

https://uwaterloo.ca/news/media/study-supports-widespread-use-better-masks-curb-covid-19