elderly should get used to idea, not freak out. death is part of life. everyone will die so there is no point of being afraid of it. just live the life and try to use the time before it is over. tragedy is when young people die.

 

And why should we not freak out when someone is trying to steal the few years we have left? Don't mess with old folks! We didn't get to be old without learning a few tricks you might not want to learn about.

 

Really should be in jokes, but...

 

Well now my work wants me to upload my COVID Vax Card, mandate to employee’s. It’s because many people believe the Technician should be Vax’ed to enter their home, we are already using protective equipment such as Mask’s, Gloves, sanitary cleaning, social distancing etc. But people are catching on that not all our employee’s are Vax’d, I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop, Technicians with direct contact to the public, refusing to get vax’d. How will the company respond. Will it be Tech’s who install or maintain our equipment offer bonuses over time or to those who are vax’d recieve a raise as well as provide new hire bonus to those already vax’d looking for employment?

Punishment, let them go for non compliance or retrain them for support that doesn’t require direct contact with the public?

kv

 

Mandates are not punishment, instead they are common sense.

that cannot be true. If it was common sense, there would be no reason for mandates. It is clear that many people do not want it.

 

that cannot be true. If it was common sense, there would be no reason for mandates. It is clear that many people do not want it.

Not just that but how is continuing to "track" the progression of this with testing common sense when it is becoming so wide spread and so mild that affect for majority (vaccinated or not) is negligible? What is common sense about stating that new policies will be put in place to allow those who tested positive to work? But you still will not be able to return home from a vacation?

What is the end game? Oh yes - to not burden the healthcare system. Newsflash (again) - it was in the toilet years ago.

At this point I am seriously looking at another career option as even though I like what I do, the beaurocracy is killing me. It has only gotten worse.

 

Not just that but how is continuing to "track" the progression of this with testing common sense when it is becoming so wide spread and so mild that affect for majority (vaccinated or not) is negligible? What is common sense about stating that new policies will be put in place to allow those who tested positive to work? But you still will not be able to return home from a vacation?

What is the end game? Oh yes - to not burden the healthcare system. Newsflash (again) - it was in the toilet years ago.

At this point I am seriously looking at another career option as even though I like what I do, the beaurocracy is killing me. It has only gotten worse.

Your in the US ?
Serious question.

I thought you had the worlds most expensive and best health care system in the world ?
Im in the Uk ,
and thats what the government here holds up as the gold standard of health care,

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...h-care-strains-from-omicron-spread/ar-AASfNaA

The emphasis on needing shorter or no quarantines to keep economies going has opened governments up to criticism that they are crafting policies around their own interests.

In Quebec, it was these stark realities that led health authorities to class medical workers differently.

“Omicron’s contagion is so exponential that a huge number of personnel have to be withdrawn and that poses a risk to the network capacity,” Christian Dubé, Quebec’s provincial health minister, said at a news conference Tuesday. He said around 7,000 medical workers were out Monday due to the virus.

“In previous waves, we wanted to identify and remove at-risk employees as quickly as possible,” he added. “With the current level of vaccination, we have to do otherwise. We have no choice.”

Horacio Arruda, Quebec’s public health director, said infected health-care workers who are not “in good shape” will not be sent to work under the amended protocols. He said potential changes could include covid-positive health-care workers treating only covid-positive patients, while being barred from eating or taking breaks with their colleagues at work.

To me it's common sense to drop positive testing protocols when the protocols are meaningless in this Omicron wave. Let's concentrate our limited heath and isolation assets on the most at risk.

We also need to be careful with COVID deaths during this wave. This has the potential problem that if everyone gets a mild form of COVID, then everyone who dies has COVID and the death figures will be subverted.

 

And why should we not freak out when someone is trying to steal the few years we have left?

fine, you may live in fear... but i don't see anyone trying to steal few years from elderly. if one is to judge by this thread, it is mostly the elderly that try to steal from the young. and i do not count myself as young, just one standing up for them.

 

That is illogical...

 

Your in the US ?
Serious question.

I thought you had the worlds most expensive and best health care system in the world ?
Im in the Uk ,
and thats what the government here holds up as the gold standard of health care,

I am in Canada and our system is somewhat similar to UK but while UK has NHS, in Canada federal funds are given to the provinces and they do as they see fit along a loose framework so even drug coverage is not truly universal.

Staff shortages, surgery waitlists of 2-3 years have long been a norm. Paying out of pocket as well, for example to access diagnostic services.

Every government holds THEIR creation as the golden standard. How could it not be so?

 

I am in Canada and our system is somewhat similar to UK but while UK has NHS, in Canada federal funds are given to the provinces and they do as they see fit along a loose framework so even drug coverage is not truly universal.

Staff shortages, surgery waitlists of 2-3 years have long been a norm. Paying out of pocket as well, for example to access diagnostic services.

Every government holds THEIR creation as the golden standard. How could it not be so?

Thank you

We must be unique as a country
our current goverment holds the US system up as the gold standard, not the NHS..

 

That is illogical...

it depends on how you look at things, perhaps take a broader view.
things may look a bit different if viewed from a different angle, specially if not only thinking about themselves.

elderly depend on medical care, need their cane or walker, access to washroom every 50m, access to bed or sofa for long naps etc. also they already lived long full lives so try the meds on them all you want. even if things don't go as planned, damage is minimal.

young people are full of energy, want to move, do sports, run, walk, work. do not quarantine them and do not force mandates on them and do not use them as test subjects for some new medicine. if things don't go as planned, damage is catastrophic as shown with athletes. children are heavily impacted with masks, they are growing up without seeing faces and emotions. that will be one messed up generation in 15 years.

i see a lot of elderly on this very forum that are pushing indiscriminately for things that are restrictive, abusive and potentially dangerous to others, all out of their self-interest. quite few have clearly stated that to them it does not matter what the consequences to others are, they just want everyone subjected to forced vaccinations, tattooing foreheads of those that refuse, firing them from work, imprisoning them in one way or another (jail, self isolation at home, concentration camps) - regardless if they have the virus or not, regardless if they are asymptomatic or not. they just want all resources catering only to their personal needs (at least one ICU bed and handful of doctors and nurses that still have the job).

so who is ruining whose lives?

 

 

and the graphs are quite linear. i see no step in 2019 or 2020 or 2021. why would that be?

 

 

Some people do not see anything wrong with this:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105

 

it depends on how you look at things, perhaps take a broader view.
things may look a bit different if viewed from a different angle, specially if not only thinking about themselves.

elderly depend on medical care, need their cane or walker, access to washroom every 50m, access to bed or sofa for long naps etc. also they already lived long full lives so try the meds on them all you want. even if things don't go as planned, damage is minimal.

young people are full of energy, want to move, do sports, run, walk, work. do not quarantine them and do not force mandates on them and do not use them as test subjects for some new medicine. if things don't go as planned, damage is catastrophic as shown with athletes. children are heavily impacted with masks, they are growing up without seeing faces and emotions. that will be one messed up generation in 15 years.

i see a lot of elderly on this very forum that are pushing indiscriminately for things that are restrictive, abusive and potentially dangerous to others, all out of their self-interest. quite few have clearly stated that to them it does not matter what the consequences to others are, they just want everyone subjected to forced vaccinations, tattooing foreheads of those that refuse, firing them from work, imprisoning them in one way or another (jail, self isolation at home, concentration camps) - regardless if they have the virus or not, regardless if they are asymptomatic or not. they just want all resources catering only to their personal needs (at least one ICU bed and handful of doctors and nurses that still have the job).

so who is ruining whose lives?

wonder with age comes self interest or wisdom ?

Have a good 2022,

 

wonder with age comes self interest or wisdom ?

Have a good 2022,

Wisdom is not doing the obviously stupid thing now because you already did the obviously stupid thing when you were young and regretted it.