You would know that how? I thought Canada closed their borders so how are tourist getting in? Red States and Blue States? You really haven't a clue. Guessing you place stock in CNN too?

Ron

This is a great claim!

I live in a small community in Northern BC and we had no cases for a year until it made it here in January 21. We were than the highest for Covid rate in the province for several months. They launched a huge vaccination campaign because the area is almost 40% native and they are first in line for vaccine. The town is over 80% vaccinated now.

Do you think it was tourists that brought it here!?

 

There are many "pox" viruses. It is pretty settled that smallpox only exists in humans.

While that MAY be true, why is is that the first vaccinations for it was from cow pox? They are so closely linked that the cow pox, being a milder type of pox was used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine

If mRNA is so great and customizable, why has it not taken off in cancer treatment?

That is because the viruses that can cause cancers aren't spread person to person, each one is tied to that persons DNA. And there is work being done right now on individual cancer treatment tied to DNA. Science can't even decide yet how many cancers are caused by virus, some say 7, some 8.

https://asm.org/Articles/2019/January/The-Seven-Viruses-that-Cause-Human-Cancers

 

Do you think it was tourists that brought it here!?

Really I have no clue. The spread of a virus becomes like a science unto itself. They say the world has become smaller and in a sense it has. Tens of thousands of people travel daily on a global basis. This results in a contagious disease to spread quickly.

Here is an interesting note. Closing ports of entry into any country has consequences. Matter of fact British Columbia is a good example. Due to a 135 year old worthless maritime US law The Passenger Vessel Services Act of 1886 which goes by a few names US cruise ships going from the lower US like Washington State are required to stop in a foreign port (Vancouver is popular with a few others). When Canada closed their Pacific ports it crippled the cruise ship business but also the Canadian ports which hosted these ships were losing big money, not just tourist money but big port fees. The Jones Act is a similar law.

OK maybe it's time to set aside this nonsense old law so cruise ships can simply go from Oregon or Washington State to Alaska less any foreign port visits? Alaska wants the cruise ships back and people like going on Alaskan Cruises. In March 2020, Canada banned cruises from stopping at its ports as part of its efforts to contain the spread of COVID-19. It plans to keep this ban until at least February 2022, So cruise ships departing the US for the US will now simply pass Canada and the people of Canada get short changed. Those in BC who rely on these ships for livelihood are the ones who suffer. Now they want to sit down with representatives from Alaska and the US in general. Go figure huh?

I made my living in electrical engineering. My grandfather was a doctor but I never got that gene. How a virus spreads and mutates is not my forte or even close. I can tell you this just based on observation when you shut down a country, any country, there are consequences you should be prepared to deal with. Even within a country, especially as large as Canada people constantly move around. Much like in the US people move from city to city be it business or pleasure. I would not be too quick to blame tourism.

Someone from Toronto travels to China or anywhere on business and contracts the virus and brings it back before symptoms are apparent. Now the virus is growing in Toronto and a business man from your area travels to Toronto on business and brings the virus back to your neighborhood. There were no tourist involved here and I could easily swap Toronto for New York and Cleveland, Ohio for your town. I just figure to yell tourist without anything substantial to support my claim is a little foolish. Beats the heck outta me.

Ron

 

While that MAY be true, why is is that the first vaccinations for it was from cow pox? They are so closely linked that the cow pox, being a milder type of pox was used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine



That is because the viruses that can cause cancers aren't spread person to person, each one is tied to that persons DNA. And there is work being done right now on individual cancer treatment tied to DNA. Science can't even decide yet how many cancers are caused by virus, some say 7, some 8.

https://asm.org/Articles/2019/January/The-Seven-Viruses-that-Cause-Human-Cancers

Has nothing to do this cancers caused by viruses. mRNA allows for tissue-specific treatment tailored to each individual

https://www.labiotech.eu/more-news/universal-cancer-vaccine-biontech/

Now lets evaluate pros and cons for COVID vaccine vs cancer treament? Different ball game I think?

But what about pharma industry? Also different?

 

Has nothing to do this cancers caused by viruses. mRNA allows for tissue-specific treatment tailored to each individual

https://www.labiotech.eu/more-news/universal-cancer-vaccine-biontech/

Now lets evaluate pros and cons for COVID vaccine vs cancer treament? Different ball game I think?

But what about pharma industry? Also different?

There is a saying I learned early in life, " if you can't overwhelm them with knowledge, baffle them with BS". seems like that keeps coming up in response to my posts about your answers.

 

There is a saying I learned early in life, " if you can't overwhelm them with knowledge, baffle them with BS". seems like that keeps coming up in response to my posts about your answers.

You stated above that viruses that cause cancer are not spread from person to person.

One such non-spreading virus is HPV. Very prevalent in the population. Perhaps you have heard of it? Interestingly enough there is a vaccine for it.

 

Spoke to my sister last night. Cindy is behind me by two years making her about 69. Like myself and my wife Cindy received both doses of the Pfizer vaccine way back around February or maybe March. Her and another sister were visiting an aunt in New Jersey for several days. A few days after returning home to Columbus, Ohio she began to not feel well, headache and coughing. Having another trip planned she went to the doctor. Tested positive for COVID and while the test does not identify a strain her doctor told her likely the D strain. My sister who traveled there (NJ) and back with her in the confines of a car has shown no symptoms and that sister was also vaccinated. Her doctor told her that despite some information the vaccine works against the new strain they are seeing plenty of vaccinated people developing and testing positive for COVID. I doubt the government really has a clue. Cindy was feeling better and has decided to stay home with her dog for at least 10 days. This is the same sister who was stuck on a cruise ship when all this began. I mentioned her in earlier post. Fortunately nobody on her ship was sick but they ended up floating around the Pacific for over a month since no ports would let them in. The good news was the ship was well stocked with good wine. So I guess vaccination is not a ticket to immunity? If this crap continues I see another shutdown which I doubt the world can afford.

Ron

 

Think about it: if the virus is not in the body how can antibodies affect it? For the antibodies to work, a person must get infected first. Only then the antibodies can keep you from getting very sick.

 

You do not become immune with the way they are approaching it. The dedinition of immunity has actially been changed by the WHO since this specific event !?

RNA mimics only one part of the virus. Bet has been made that it will not mutate sufficiently.

Immune system is very complex and it is not just down to the antibodies either.

There are many aspects to our immunity that are not well known.

 

Her doctor told her that despite some information the vaccine works against the new strain they are seeing plenty of vaccinated people developing and testing positive for COVID. I doubt the government really has a clue.

It's in the news almost daily, they call it a "breakthrough covid case". Where vaccinated people catch and spread it without the normal problems of the covid. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=breakthrough+covid+case Just like the yearly flu vaccination doesn't mean you can't get the flu, the vaccination just protects from getting a deadly case of it.

 

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Thank you for cider through the nose. That is seriously funny.

Think about it: if the virus is not in the body how can antibodies affect it? For the antibodies to work, a person must get infected first. Only then the antibodies can keep you from getting very sick.

This is something else I see beat to death. I read an article claiming exactly what you just said, then I read another claiming just the opposite, that the vaccines are a better defense than having caught and gone through the virus. I think it was 4,000 post ago I posted that people should just find an opinion they like and run with it.

It's in the news almost daily, they call it a "breakthrough covid case". Where vaccinated people catch and spread it without the normal problems of the covid. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=breakthrough+covid+case Just like the yearly flu vaccination doesn't mean you can't get the flu, the vaccination just protects from getting a deadly case of it.

Yes, I see that. I have also read where the vaccine just reduces the severity of the virus in many cases.

Something Cindy (my sister) did pass along was that on the trip from NJ back to OH the turnpike was all heavy traffic and the rest areas packed tight with people. Within two days of getting home and she never went out her symptoms began. Yet my sister who rode with her still has no symptoms and actually received the same vaccine. They spent 8 or 9 hours side by side in the car coming home together. I did notice back in early June when Kathy (wife) and I returned from the beach in NC that traffic was really heavy and the beach areas were well packed. Nobody came home with anything. That was nice. People are just out in droves since things are reopening.

Apparently many here are very well versed on this whole virus thing. Personally I am at a point where I have little desire to try and learn anything else about it. My grandfather was a doctor but I chose to follow my father's footsteps in electrical engineering which while it did not pay as well as a doctor was a good career for me. Even among those well versed on this whole COVID thing I see plenty of disagreement and that extends well beyond this forum to actual doctors who specialize in infectious disease. Beats me who is right or wrong?

I do remember the Honk Kong flu pandemic of 68 / 69 which killed over 100,000 just in the US but I also remember every death certificate was not hot stamped COVID. Eventually it ran its course and that was it. Stay safe peoples. Whatever it takes.

Ron

 

Beats me who is right or wrong?

I know this is difficult for an engineer to swallow, but perhaps there is no right or wrong.

Like quantum mechanics, perhaps we cannot tell where an electron “is”. Perhaps it’s all probabilities.

Maybe a vaccine can’t protect us 100% but maybe it can improve our chances. Maybe we can’t be absolutely sure that the government, medical community, commercial health care companies are not all in collusion and only out for the money, but there is a positive probability that they have our health in mind.

Probabilities are not absolutes. But maybe, just maybe, what they’re saying is the correct answer.

 

Spoke to my sister last night. Cindy is behind me by two years making her about 69. Like myself and my wife Cindy received both doses of the Pfizer vaccine way back around February or maybe March. Her and another sister were visiting an aunt in New Jersey for several days. A few days after returning home to Columbus, Ohio she began to not feel well, headache and coughing. Having another trip planned she went to the doctor. Tested positive for COVID and while the test does not identify a strain her doctor told her likely the D strain. My sister who traveled there (NJ) and back with her in the confines of a car has shown no symptoms and that sister was also vaccinated. Her doctor told her that despite some information the vaccine works against the new strain they are seeing plenty of vaccinated people developing and testing positive for COVID. I doubt the government really has a clue. Cindy was feeling better and has decided to stay home with her dog for at least 10 days. This is the same sister who was stuck on a cruise ship when all this began. I mentioned her in earlier post. Fortunately nobody on her ship was sick but they ended up floating around the Pacific for over a month since no ports would let them in. The good news was the ship was well stocked with good wine. So I guess vaccination is not a ticket to immunity? If this crap continues I see another shutdown which I doubt the world can afford.

Ron

The data from the government and scientists at the vaccine manufacturers has been very clear - 90 to 95% effective before the delta strain existed. In other words, 1 out of 10 to 1 out of 20 vaccinated people will test positive. Of those, the degree of symptoms will range from none to significant - but death is unlikely.

 

It is certain that ALL hospitalizations and deaths recently due to the Covid-19 virus occur in unvaccinated people.
Unvaccinated people are causing the virus to mutate into variants.
The variants are causing an increase in hospitalizations and deaths of unvaccinated people.
Many people who are hospitalized due to the virus have related medical problems for the rest of their life.
I am glad that I got two doses of the Pfizer vaccine in March and in June.
Unvaccinated people are being banned from more and more events. They should be locked up somewhere away from normal people.

 

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Interesting results.
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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/how-many-covid-hospitalisation-double-vaccinated-171607939.html

 

I know this is difficult for an engineer to swallow, but perhaps there is no right or wrong.

That pretty well covers my thinking on the subject.

The data from the government and scientists at the vaccine manufacturers has been very clear - 90 to 95% effective before the delta strain existed. In other words, 1 out of 10 to 1 out of 20 vaccinated people will test positive. Of those, the degree of symptoms will range from none to significant - but death is unlikely.

Yes, my sister compared it to a mild case of the flu. So could it have been worse? Very likely.

It is certain that ALL hospitalizations and deaths recently due to the Covid-19 virus occur in unvaccinated people.
Unvaccinated people are causing the virus to mutate into variants.
The variants are causing an increase in hospitalizations and deaths of unvaccinated people.
Many people who are hospitalized due to the virus have related medical problems for the rest of their life.
I am glad that I got two doses of the Pfizer vaccine in March and in June.
Unvaccinated people are being banned from more and more events. They should be locked up somewhere away from normal people.

So what would you suggest? Mandatory vaccinations obviously would be a very hard sell in the US. My simple thinking as to vaccination was why not? The majority of those I know up close and personal chose to get vaccinated. However, I will still defend the rights of those who choose not to regardless of their reasoning. Not my job to point out numbers or crunch numbers for them. Last I looked just under half the US population eligible for vaccine have declined it. The more the government tries to force them the more they resist. So what would you suggest? Possibly line those who resist up and shoot them at dawn? You can lead a horse to water but... you can't make them drink.

hi,
Interesting results.
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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/how-many-covid-hospitalisation-double-vaccinated-171607939.html

Thanks for sharing as it was an interesting read.

"Sir Patrick said: "We know it's about 60% of the people being admitted to hospital with COVID have been double vaccinated.

"And that's not surprising because the vaccines are not 100% effective. They're very very effective, but not 100%".

Despite claims those vaccinated will experience lesser symptoms (pain and suffering) the afore mentioned are bad enough to require hospitalization. So back to square one.

Ron

 

Then you have the hypocrisy from the planet Hypocrisy - https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/19/media/fox-vaccine-passport/index.html All evening every evening they say they are against it but....

 

Sir Patrick said it backwards and corrected what he said. Correctly, he said that 60% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people but I read it is much higher than that.

 

Then you have the hypocrisy from the planet Hypocrisy - https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/19/media/fox-vaccine-passport/index.html All evening every evening they say they are against it but....

I no longer place much stock in either CNN or FOX news. Actually haven't for a decade or so.

In other news the DJIA tanked today based on new COVID fears. Imagine what another shutdown will do?

Ron