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BobaMosfet

Joined Jul 1, 2009
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I can name every living creature too.



Not from what I have seen in early archaeology. For pyramids, here is some history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramids#:~:text=The earliest known Egyptian pyramids,other archaeological remains of the
You've obviously been sheltered- allow me to broaden your horizons:

Regarding animals:

"Scientists have recently estimated that there are approximately 8.7 million species on Earth. They believe that 1-2 million of those species are animals. And what do we know about all those species? Not much! The same study estimates that 86% of all land species and 91% of all sea species have not yet been discovered or described! " from https://www.wonderopolis.org/wonder/how-many-animals-are-there-in-the-world#:~:text=Scientists have recently estimated that,know about all those species?

and for Egypt: Here's a better link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza and

https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Peter-Tompkins/dp/0060906316/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=pyramid+accuracy&qid=1593455110&sr=8-1
 
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Comrade Pingu

Joined Aug 30, 2018
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You've obviously been sheltered- allow me to broaden your horizons:

Regarding animals:

"Scientists have recently estimated that there are approximately 8.7 million species on Earth. They believe that 1-2 million of those species are animals. And what do we know about all those species? Not much! The same study estimates that 86% of all land species and 91% of all sea species have not yet been discovered or described! " from https://www.wonderopolis.org/wonder/how-many-animals-are-there-in-the-world#:~:text=Scientists have recently estimated that,know about all those species?

and for Egypt: Here's a better link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza and

https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Peter-Tompkins/dp/0060906316/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=pyramid+accuracy&qid=1593455110&sr=8-1
Wait—woah, woah, woah! You mean to tell me that human's don't know everything?!—and that, as we start to understand more about the world, the more we realize how little we know!? This is a new development.
 

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BobaMosfet

Joined Jul 1, 2009
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Wait—woah, woah, woah! You mean to tell me that human's don't know everything?!—and that, as we start to understand more about the world, the more we realize how little we know!? This is a new development.
Sadly, we know less every year. This is why so many people can't tell you what color and Orange is, or where South America is.
 

Comrade Pingu

Joined Aug 30, 2018
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Sadly, we know less every year. This is why so many people can't tell you what color and Orange is, or where South America is.
I hate to break it to you, but it's mostly that we're getting more exposure to how little people know every year. What you're saying is like saying that COVID-19 cases go down the less you test—yeah, less testing does reduce the recorded number of cases, but that doesn't mean that it reduces the actual number.
 

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BobaMosfet

Joined Jul 1, 2009
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I hate to break it to you, but it's mostly that we're getting more exposure to how little people know every year. What you're saying is like saying that COVID-19 cases go down the less you test—yeah, less testing does reduce the recorded number of cases, but that doesn't mean that it reduces the actual number.
Actually, you're missing the point. The common thought is that we're getting smarter. But that is entirely unsupported.

You make the assumption that testing isn't being done- it _is_ being done. And people in general are less able to answer questions about the world around them than ever before. What color is an Orange and where is South America are not questions I posed, but questions that adults and highschoolers are failing _today_. And those are just two examples.

If you choose to believe that people are getting smarter all the time, you are blinding yourself to the growing mob-mentality that exists and is spreading. It's like people in the US thinking we have a Democracy- we don't. We have a Republic. For good reason. So mob mentality cannot prevail.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/iq-rates-are-dropping-many-developed-countries-doesn-t-bode-ncna1008576

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/index.html

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-06-iq-scores-1970s.html

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/iq-scores-have-been-falling-for-decades-new-study-finds/

Google it- the list is endless.

Most people can learn broad but shallow, or deep but narrow. Few do both. Most people don't fact check what they are exposed to, either. So ignorance and worse- misinformation- is propogated- The web is a huge example of this, with the so called youtube generation which is largely opinion-based knowledge.
 

Comrade Pingu

Joined Aug 30, 2018
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Actually, you're missing the point. The common thought is that we're getting smarter. But that is entirely unsupported.

You make the assumption that testing isn't being done- it _is_ being done. And people in general are less able to answer questions about the world around them than ever before. What color is an Orange and where is South America are not questions I posed, but questions that adults and highschoolers are failing _today_. And those are just two examples.

If you choose to believe that people are getting smarter all the time, you are blinding yourself to the growing mob-mentality that exists and is spreading. It's like people in the US thinking we have a Democracy- we don't. We have a Republic. For good reason. So mob mentality cannot prevail.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/iq-rates-are-dropping-many-developed-countries-doesn-t-bode-ncna1008576

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/index.html

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-06-iq-scores-1970s.html

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/iq-scores-have-been-falling-for-decades-new-study-finds/

Google it- the list is endless.

Most people can learn broad but shallow, or deep but narrow. Few do both. Most people don't fact check what they are exposed to, either. So ignorance and worse- misinformation- is propogated- The web is a huge example of this, with the so called youtube generation which is largely opinion-based knowledge.
I'm not really sure if you know this, but IQ isn't exactly a reliable measure of how smart people are—not to mention how fluid IQ scores are over a person's life: they don't just stay one value forever.

Also, a lot of these articles seem to be more based on being sensationalist click-pieces than anything. For example, the NBC article is an opinion piece written by somebody who's in charge of a non-profit that runs market analysis and the like; the CNN article's only source is a single study—and that study only takes place in Norway (that also says that the "Flynn effect" is very much reversible); the World Economic Forum article cites the exact same study as the CNN article—and the MedicalXPress article does too. Essentially, all of the articles are a big piece of getting a single shred of evidence for something, and then stretching whatever is being said so far out that it practically becomes unrecognizable.

It is true that a lot of people don't fact check a lot of the stuff they're exposed to. It's been that way for quite a while—and it was much, much worse before the internet.

Furthermore, a lot of the answers you've seen about "what color is an orange?" and "where is South America?" are, I'm assuming, either from a viral video a few years back or from a Jimmy Kimmel segment. And those are generally very heavily edited, skipping over people who give correct answers in order to make things seem worse than they are.

I'm not going to doubt that there are a lot of dumb people—that would be stupid. But, it's not that there are more than before the internet, it's just that the internet makes it easier for people to see. (Seriously—browse a website like Twitter for two seconds without losing your faith in humanity.)
 

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BobaMosfet

Joined Jul 1, 2009
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I'm not really sure if you know this, but IQ isn't exactly a reliable measure of how smart people are—not to mention how fluid IQ scores are over a person's life: they don't just stay one value forever.

Also, a lot of these articles seem to be more based on being sensationalist click-pieces than anything. For example, the NBC article is an opinion piece written by somebody who's in charge of a non-profit that runs market analysis and the like; the CNN article's only source is a single study—and that study only takes place in Norway (that also says that the "Flynn effect" is very much reversible); the World Economic Forum article cites the exact same study as the CNN article—and the MedicalXPress article does too. Essentially, all of the articles are a big piece of getting a single shred of evidence for something, and then stretching whatever is being said so far out that it practically becomes unrecognizable.

It is true that a lot of people don't fact check a lot of the stuff they're exposed to. It's been that way for quite a while—and it was much, much worse before the internet.

Furthermore, a lot of the answers you've seen about "what color is an orange?" and "where is South America?" are, I'm assuming, either from a viral video a few years back or from a Jimmy Kimmel segment. And those are generally very heavily edited, skipping over people who give correct answers in order to make things seem worse than they are.

I'm not going to doubt that there are a lot of dumb people—that would be stupid. But, it's not that there are more than before the internet, it's just that the internet makes it easier for people to see. (Seriously—browse a website like Twitter for two seconds without losing your faith in humanity.)
And yet today, more people in America alone believe we have a Democracy than at any other time... we don't. We have people playing fast and loose with COVID- instead of remaining isolated- for no valid reason other than they believe they're freedom is somehow being impinged up. People are dying because someone else was so smart. I like your 'glass-half-full' attitude', but don't see the actual evidence. Knowledge is there, but the majority choose not to learn, or understand it.
 
And yet today, more people in America alone believe we have a Democracy than at any other time... we don't. We have people playing fast and loose with COVID- instead of remaining isolated- for no valid reason other than they believe they're freedom is somehow being impinged up. People are dying because someone else was so smart. I like your 'glass-half-full' attitude', but don't see the actual evidence. Knowledge is there, but the majority choose not to learn, or understand it.
Thinking that people are smart or stupid doesn’t apply in these cases, rather it’s more “Bells Curve” if judging students in a class you would get the majority of C students minority of A’s and minority of F’s, while some would be able to tell you Quantum Mechanics is vs the Standard Model in the end it’s more like Chimps “that we are” Monkey see Monkey do, so many people with their carts full of Toilet Paper and Cases of Water at the Market at first no masks and hoarding, most of those people I suspect became the victims of this stupidity, ignorance is not bliss, it’s just choosing to be ignorant of the fact of social distance and masks or shielding from forced spray at a distance, cough or sneeze. The stupidity of these people are flooding Hospitals once again, it will be those people who will decide the fate of many.

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Humanity is not getting smarter or dumber. I gave come to a conclusion that it is quite static. As collective knowledge accumulates, we choose to do nothing with it. We also loose knowledge, skills and ability as out needs change and as we burn books and rewrite history to choose our prefered narrative of today. This has been going on throughout our history and we are simply not learning...

Can you trust anything you read in history books? Can you trust anything you read online today? More than that - can you have a debate today about a controversial topic without getting "cancelled" and shouted down? We are back to tribalism and mob rule
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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can you have a debate today about a controversial topic without getting "cancelled" and shouted down? We are back to tribalism and mob rule
(sticking my hand up to show I know what you mean) Getting one person out of a thread here seems to work. It allows the others who agree with the powers that be to post or say anything they want.
 
And yet today, more people in America alone believe we have a Democracy than at any other time... we don't. We have people playing fast and loose with COVID- instead of remaining isolated- for no valid reason other than they believe they're freedom is somehow being impinged up. People are dying because someone else was so smart. I like your 'glass-half-full' attitude', but don't see the actual evidence. Knowledge is there, but the majority choose not to learn, or understand it.
A big problem is in our education system rather than people themselves. As a recent high school graduate, I can say with a lot of certainty that the American school system is just total bollocks—that and America has a big issue with entitled jackasses that think that washing their hands is tyranny. Nothing against you personally, but it does seem like you have a bit of a negativity bias—granted 2020 has been pretty awful so I wouldn't blame you.
 
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