Confusing LM317 voltage regulator output

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AmIstupid

Joined Jun 9, 2024
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I am using an LM317 to create 8VDC-9VDC from a 12VDC bench supply. I am confused because the output pin always has approx. 11 v no matter how I configure the adjustment resistors, while I find my correct, adjusted voltage on the adjust pin instead. I can watch it changing as expected while I adjust the pot. I have tried fixed resistors and a pot, I have tried it with and without decoupling caps in the input and output, and I have tried it with both an LM317 and a LT1085IT. I have also tried it with R1=220, R2=1100; R1=1K, R2=5.1K etc for various combinations to give me to output I want. What am I not getting? I have successfully used LM317s before and I don't recall having this issue. Schematics and data sheets all tell me the output shout be on the output pin but I find it on the adj pin. Thank you for any advice.

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bertus

Joined Apr 5, 2008
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Hello,

What is the value of R1 on your breadboard?
I see a resistor of 1K on your breadboard.
Many circuits use 120 ohm for R1.

Bertus
 

bertus

Joined Apr 5, 2008
22,882
Hello,

It sound like that the ground connection of R2 is loose.
That way the regulator is floating and will almost pass the input voltage.

Bertus
 

hrs

Joined Jun 13, 2014
520
Maybe you didn't meet the minimum load requirement which can be as high as 10mA. What happens if you apply a 1k or so load to the output?
 

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AmIstupid

Joined Jun 9, 2024
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Next question, where did you purchase the regulator from?
What voltage do you read on pin #1?
Probably Mouser or Digikey. I read varying voltage on pin 1(adj) depending on how I adjust the pot.
Pin 3 (Vin) shows 12.06V, pin 2 (Vout) shows 11.08V.
 

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AmIstupid

Joined Jun 9, 2024
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Maybe you didn't meet the minimum load requirement which can be as high as 10mA. What happens if you apply a 1k or so load to the output?
I tried putting a 1K resistor on the output. I can't remember what happened but I was disappointed. I'll try that again.
 

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AmIstupid

Joined Jun 9, 2024
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Is that a real LM317? What is its provenance?
The one pictured is the LT1085IT . I am awaiting a new batch of LM317s. It's very odd that I had the same anomaly with two different regulators, which is what made me think I was cracking up. This should be very simple but it has me stumped. The bench supply is the only thing I have not yet swapped out; I will try a different one.
 

Dave Lowther

Joined Sep 8, 2016
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It might we worth using a continuity tester to check that the breadboard internal tracks are working correctly. I spent a while scratching my head trying something simple of one of my breadboard until I found that an internal tracks along one of the 5 hole rows was broken.
 

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AmIstupid

Joined Jun 9, 2024
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It might we worth using a continuity tester to check that the breadboard internal tracks are working correctly. I spent a while scratching my head trying something simple of one of my breadboard until I found that an internal tracks along one of the 5 hole rows was broken.
That’s a great suggestion. I’ve swapped everything else. I’ll try a new breadboard and power supply
 

dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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That’s a great suggestion. I’ve swapped everything else. I’ll try a new breadboard and power supply
If any of the connections are bad, you can find them using standard troubleshooting techniques. You start by measuring voltages, not starting over. When you find something that isn't right, determine why it isn't right.
 

Dave Lowther

Joined Sep 8, 2016
332
That’s a great suggestion. I’ve swapped everything else. I’ll try a new breadboard and power supply
I found the error on mine by checking the wiring with a continuity tester.
For example:
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Check continuity between point A and B point, then check between point B and point C.
 

Thread Starter

AmIstupid

Joined Jun 9, 2024
10
Problem solved -- It WAS bad components! I suspected a bad LM317 when the first one misbehaved, so I tried an LT1085IT which exhibited the same misbehavior. I concluded I was doing something wrong although this is very simple. I rounded up an LM317 in a TO-3 package and it worked correctly. Yesterday my new TO-220s arrived and everything is right with the world again.
Now my only question is, were these two bad components pure coincidence, or did I damage them? Maybe my power supply was creating spikes when I powered it on. I have treated myself to a new bench-top supply :) I have never zapped any ICs before. Curiouser and curiouser. Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
 
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