All Electronics Trading company.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1972789887.html?spm=a2g0s.issue_5ptha.0.0.5e1f4c4dhZmpWO

I bought some level shifters that use an N channel MOSFET and this is how they packaged them:


When I asked for a refund, they asked me if I tested them. I refused and they stopped responding, so I filed a dispute and AE issued a refund in a day. I expected them to make me jump through hoops like they've done in the past and then reject my request.

EDIT:
An updated list of the bad sellers:

1. All Electronics Trading Company - improper packaging for MOSFET level shifters.
2. LianDong Store - rusty alligator clips (30+ out of 60)
3. XingBoXin Store - 3x5 cm prototype boards with too many shorts (50+ of 100 boards)
4. <store removed> - mSATA to SATA adapter not as advertised (said metal, it was plastic). AE sided with Seller and ignored dispute of their resolution.
5. Daijun ccc Store - switching power supplies, store removed. Appeared to try starting another store (DAIJUN 3ccc Store that quickly disappeared). UPDATE: no product received before buyer protection ran out. The only response from the seller was to try to reduce one of the refunds by $0.57.
6. NVVV AliExpress store - sold defective (reworked) power supply as new. https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/...-power-supplies-aliexpress-and-amazon.184746/
7. Low priced Wanptek power supplies https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/...s-seller-at-your-own-risk.173035/post-1727893. Additional sellers implicated: "Shop1100262004 Store", "Shop1100365425 Store". Both refused to communicate until disputes were initiated. All they wanted was to try to reduce the refunded amounts. Both stores have been closed.
8. MGodBMS store - defective smart lithium ion smart BMS https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001971361691.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.0.0.21ef1802zhrtto member @m3vuv1 thread here
9. Samsung Store on Amazon - defective 128GB microSD cards. 2 failed capacity test with h2testw, 1 passed, but had data corruption when trying to use the full capacity. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B1JFY24?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
10. 3-24V 3A adjustable power supply with display - these won't adjust down to 3V and don't regulate very well. I bought from 2 different sellers Lincoiah Official Store and Shop5952040 Store. Apparently no UL certification. Post #111, 162
11. 9V lithium ion batteries with integral 9V voltage regulator. Advertised as 12800mAh capacity; actual capacity closer to 300mAh. Shop1102660308 Store post #164
12. 18650 batteries with 19900mAh capacity. Actual capacity less than 800mAh. Shop1102664187 Store post #168
13. 18650 batteries with 88800mAh capacity. Actually capacity less than 1.8Ah. MVP No6 Mamba Battery Store post #175 EDIT: note that there are many stores with "Battery Store", "Mamba Battery Store", or similar in their store names. Suspect many are related because they sell many of the same products.
14. 16340 batteries with 2.8Ah capacity. Actual capacity about 175mAh. Shop1102853538 Store post #177
15. 18650 batteries with 9900mAh capacity. Actual capacity about 125mAh. post #178

 

hi dl234,
Why are you concerned about the packing, most shifters of that type I have bought from other suppliers, have been packed that way and they all work OK when assembled.
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Why are you concerned about the packing, most shifters of that type I have bought from other suppliers, have been packed that way and they all work OK when assembled.

N channel MOSFETs are static sensitive devices. If they're subjected to an ESD event, they'll die outright if you're lucky. If you're unlucky, they'll exhibit increased leakage and/or die prematurely. It's not worth adding that uncertainty to any circuit.

If they're packaged improperly, you'd probably be correct in assuming that they were handled improperly. It's just not worth the bother.

I have never had that level shifter shipped to me in packaging that wasn't antistatic.
EDIT: From any other seller.

 

Did you throw all of them away?

 

Is there a 10k resistor from Gate to Source?

 

hi,
This image is the circuit for the shifters I buy.

You can buy either 3 or more shifters on a PCB.

Sometimes I connect a TO92 TS2951 3.3V regulator laid flat across the top of the shifter PCB, using the onboard pads for 5Vin and 3.3Vout to TS2950.
This is useful when you need a low current 3v3 supply for other devices on the project.

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N channel MOSFETs are static sensitive devices. If they're subjected to an ESD event, they'll die outright if you're lucky. If you're unlucky, they'll exhibit increased leakage and/or die prematurely. It's not worth adding that uncertainty to any circuit.

If they're packaged improperly, you'd probably be correct in assuming that they were handled improperly. It's just not worth the bother.

I have never had that level shifter shipped to me in packaging that wasn't antistatic.
EDIT: From any other seller.

If you're that worried about it you should also not be buying from Ali Express.

 

Is there a 10k resistor from Gate to Source?

Yes, but I reasoned that the plastic bag could accumulate different potentials on it's surface and be able to apply enough a differential voltage across the resistor that's high enough to damage the gate oxide or to apply sufficient voltage across the source-drain to break it down. For BSS138, it only takes 40-50V.

 

This image is the circuit for the shifters I buy.

Maximum gate to source voltage for those MOSFETs is 20V. Some datasheets specify a short pulse of 40V. 50V is enough to damage or kill those devices and being in a plastic bag can expose the devices to that, and more.

 

If you're that worried about it you should also not be buying from Ali Express.

I won't pay the prices the likes of Sparkfun charge for them.

I've bought them from several Sellers and they're the only ones to not package properly.

 

I’ve had failed MOSFETs from AliExpress which were packaged like that or just thrown in one baggie. I wonder if the ones that are not packaged correctly are the rejected ones just grabbed from a scrap bin.

 

I wonder if the ones that are not packaged correctly are the rejected ones just grabbed from a scrap bin.

It's hard to say. Selling a lot of known defective/counterfeit product would seem to be a poor business model unless they count on buyers being clueless, not complaining about improper packaging, and not discovering that parts are defective until the buyer assurance period has expired. My experience has been that most sellers at Ali Express don't know much about the products they sell.

 

Thats why I wonder, if they were in anti static reel type packaging it would be less work to just cut the reel and bag them rather than peel them out and bag. Until recently they were paying subsidized postage. That’s why you might see a $1.50 purchase with $0.05 in postage all the way from somewhere in China.

 

Thats why I wonder, if they were in anti static reel type packaging it would be less work to just cut the reel and bag them rather than peel them out and bag.

It's unlikely that they would have packaged the finished boards in antistatic reels. They probably just put the assembled shifters in bulk antistatic packaging and the entity that buys them is responsible for packaging in smaller quantity. That can be done in an ESD safe manner, but anything repackaged improperly makes you wonder how they were handled.

I plan to test some of the parts when I have nothing better to do.

 

We were talking about similar situations. I received unsoldred SMD mosfets 50 in a plastic bag. These were nice mosfets at one point.

The gate is exposed on your board so I would be concerned about ESD.

 

We were talking about similar situations. I received unsoldred SMD mosfets 50 in a plastic bag.

If the seller won't give a refund, submit a dispute if they stop responding. Ali Express was fast for the dispute this time; issuing a refund in a day. My past experience was that they'd side with the seller and deny the dispute.

The gate is exposed on your board so I would be concerned about ESD.

I reasoned that the plastic bags could develop different potentials along the surface and that it would be possible to apply 50V+ across the gate to S/D or across the source and drain. Either situation could damage the devices while they're still in the bag.

You could also damage them while removing them from the bag.

 

I won't pay the prices the likes of Sparkfun charge for them.

I've bought them from several Sellers and they're the only ones to not package properly.

Yes, but you are never sure how they were handled before packaging.

This is a common problem of anti-static packaging: it tends to give you a false sense of safety but, if the entire process is not static-safe, the last line of defense (the packaging itself) cannot help with prior damage.

I have seen multiple occasions where parts were bagged in nice anti-static bags but had paper labels or scotch tape inside them, which are prime for building up static. In older days, I also have seen many people count CD4000 or MOSFETs with bare hands and then put them on shiny bags.

Oh well... For hobby purposes this usually does not go beyond a nuisance but, if that is important to you, then I echo the comment to buy from reputable sources. You can never tell if a retail vendor such as Aliexpress will side with you or the seller.

 

Yes, but you are never sure how they were handled before packaging.

That's true, but there isn't much you can do about it.

I've bought parts from Newark that weren't handled properly. They had low quantity of a part that I ordered and they could only ship around 20 of the 25 parts I ordered. The first shipment had parts in 3 cut down tubes and about a quarter of them had mangled pins. The mangled parts weren't always on the ends of the tubes, so it wasn't shipping damage.

 

I've bought from All Electronics Trading company on Aliexpress, and the parts were in anti-static cut-tape. Slow 16 weeks shipping.
I've bought from Shenzen IC store on Aliexpress, and none of the parts (TO-92 JFETS) were in anti-static bags. Kind of like OP's.

But the level-shifter 10k resistor does dissipate G-S static charge, so I would not be as upset if it was a plain MOSFET. I never use BSS138 or 2N7002 as they are super fragile with ESD. Instead I use BSS138K or 2N7002K that have built-in gate zener. It's the gate that is very fragile.

 

I'll vouch for the plain 2N700x being fragile, but it depends on the application too, how 'exposed' the part is to the real world in terms of connections and environment.

Two products we used to build at my company both used the 2N7000 FET. One was a glorified FM radio (utility load control using the SCA band), and they RARELY ever gave trouble (this out of a run of 100K+ units). The other had a whole row of them on an interface board for some car wash equipment, and the customer got pissed for having to send one or two back every few months (this was a lower volume product, somewhere in the low thousands).