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GopherT

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Maybe he threatened to sell his stock.
I guess that's why Pence had to make the executive order. I would like to have seen how trump manipulated the strings on his Pencepuppet to get the signature on the dotted line for United Technologies/Carrier.
 

ronv

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I guess that's why Pence had to make the executive order. I would like to have seen how trump manipulated the strings on his Pencepuppet to get the signature on the dotted line for United Technologies/Carrier.
Well, I guess on the 15th we get to see how he divests himself from his business.
 

tcmtech

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The thread was shut down because we got several complaints about it. In this case, several moderators agreed with the complaints and closed the thread.

The charge of inconsistency is somewhat unfair, IMHO. As I have frequently stated, Off Topic is lightly moderated so that members can engage in adult conversations on a variety of topics. This policy was set by popular demand from our membership. But by allowing such conversations, it is inevitable that someone will take umbrage at some point but that's the price you pay for the opportunity to participate in hot-topic threads. For the most part, members do a pretty good job of self-moderation, admittedly difficult for a bunch of Type A personalities. When a thread goes off the rails or someone loses it and gets ugly, we get the reports - sometimes from multiple offenders demanding that the other be banned. Then we go to work to try to resolve the issue.

Some of the apparent inconsistency may be because we take each complaint/report on a case by case basis for OT rather than apply a strict set of rules in draconian fashion. A firm adherence to a list of rules would make moderation easy but would radically change the community that members have overwhelmingly endorsed with their participation and conversations with the staff. It has been working pretty well but you have to ride out the inevitable bumps along the way.

I am thinking that maybe the forum needs a dedicated politics subsection for this sort of stuff. Call it the 'Forum Reactor Core' where everyone can go and have a full on meltdown and no subject comes out alive to be brought up elsewhere.:D

I see about 3 - 4 threads as of lately that would be fitting for such a Off topics area sub section.
 

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joeyd999

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I am thinking that maybe the forum needs a dedicated politics subsection for this sort of stuff. Call it the 'Forum Reactor Core' where everyone can go and have a full on meltdown and no subject comes out alive to be brought up elsewhere.:D

I see about 3 - 4 threads as of lately that would be fitting for such a Off topics area sub section.

Further, allow members to opt-in to the forum so that those not interested need not be bothered.
 

tcmtech

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Further, allow members to opt-in to the forum so that those not interested need not be bothered.
If they don't opt in I'm selling my AAC forum stocks. :p

Or worse, I will buy some since my stock buying record for the last 3 years has been at near 100% company crash and burn once I am on board. :(
 

cmartinez

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Geees, @cmartinez - I dunno if I want to characterize the 'Mod Squad' as a lunatic revolt.... Yet!:D:D:D

With benign intent
HP:)
I was actually referring to members who like to help other members restrain themselves, even though they need to restrain themselves too! ... myself included ... I guess this falls into the concept of "recursive group help" ... if there's such a thing :eek:
But yeah... the Mods are also part of the madhouse's staff... I suppose :D
 

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joeyd999

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...oxymorons...
Not at all. There is such a beast, and it works well in certain organizations.

Linus Torvolds has never been elected, yet he has the final and uncontestable say in what gets included in the Linux kernel.

Below him is a meritocracy, but the membership is completely determined by Linus's wishes.
 

cmartinez

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Not at all. There is such a beast, and it works well in certain organizations.

Linus Torvolds has never been elected, yet he has the final and uncontestable say in what gets included in the Linux kernel.

Below him is a meritocracy, but the membership is completely determined by Linus's wishes.
I wonder, how can one insure that a Benevolent Dictatorship stays benevolent?
 

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joeyd999

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I wonder, how can one insure that a Benevolent Dictatorship stays benevolent?
In the case of Linux, the kernel could be forked. It's been tried, but never with any significant success. The community won't support it.

Here at AAC? I guess mods are replaced when enough valuable members threaten to leave. It's happened, IIRC.
 

cmartinez

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In the case of Linux, the kernel could be forked. It's been tried, but never with any significant success. The community won't support it.

Here at AAC? I guess mods are replaced when enough valuable members threaten to leave. It's happened, IIRC.
I wonder what's going to happen when Mr Torvolds leaves this world ... will another Benevolent Dictator be anointed? ... and if so, by whom?
 

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joeyd999

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I wonder what's going to happen when Mr Torvolds leaves this world ... will another Benevolent Dictator be anointed? ... and if so, by whom?
I'm sure he'll appoint one of his top lieutenants -- if he hasn't done so already. The community already has a great deal of respect for them.
 

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joeyd999

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Or maybe, the group of followers closest to him will elect a new leader...
In the end, it doesn't matter. The kernel can be forked at will. The community will decide spontaneously who they choose to follow.

Consider it "voting with their feet".

Interestingly, this is one of the reasons why federalism (i.e. state sovereignty) is superior to direct rule by the federal government.
 

Sinus23

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In the end, it doesn't matter. The kernel can be forked at will. The community will decide spontaneously who they choose to follow.

Consider it "voting with their feet".

Interestingly, this is one of the reasons why federalism (i.e. state sovereignty) is superior to direct rule by the federal government.
"Educate their narrow minds, they see what they want to see"

 
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Not at all. There is such a beast, and it works well in certain organizations.

Linus Torvolds has never been elected, yet he has the final and uncontestable say in what gets included in the Linux kernel.

Below him is a meritocracy, but the membership is completely determined by Linus's wishes.
Yebut as creator/developer, Linux is Torvalds "baby" (notwithstanding said platform's 'eerie' resemblance to Unix:rolleyes:) -- Point being, he undoubtedly lives in mortal fear of would be 'co-option' -- hence his iron fist...?

Best regards
HP:)
 
I was actually referring to members who like to help other members restrain themselves, even though they need to restrain themselves too! ... myself included ... I guess this falls into the concept of "recursive group help"...
Indeed!:) When I visit these 'politically themed' threads I find it all too easy to imagine myself at that 'banquet' - and, perhaps most disturbingly, when 'sufficiently' 'worn down' by the rancorous atmosphere, in the person of Mlle. Salsafette! :eek::eek:

TTFN
HP:)
 
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