It looks like the average union worker for Carrier is making ~$23 an hour so I don't have a problem with them keeping their jobs.

That $46,000 a year base pay for a single worker which is enough to live a decent life on if a person has any degree of financial management skills at all.

It all boils down to three simple things: market, market... and market... if only we had that sort of base salary down here... but then if we did, most of us would be out of a job!

 

Looks like Trump's magic wand is bigger than Obama's:

 

Unfortunately (depending on how you look at it) for everyone, globalization is here to stay. A profitable and competent market will always be subject to change, and not always for the better for some people. If manufacture stops being profitable in a certain place, then the people in that place must either develop new skills or migrate to a place where the skills that they already have are in demand.

But we humans (and especially old humans) find the speed at which this dynamic is happening quite daunting. Monterrey is no different. I'd say that for every 5 foreign companies that start operations here, another 4 migrate either to Asia or South America. Lately, a few South Korean companies have opened new plants down here.

Yep, I think you have hit the nail on the head. Always in the past the evolution has been slower which gave the population time to respond to a different job market. This has been a quicki.. It's not so much the jobs moving around (though that's certainly part of it), but automation.
But it's not the first time we have had this problem. It's just not clear where the jobs will come from.

 

Ayn Rand said:
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

I thought that Rand was a scholar. Sounds more like crime-fiction to me...

Well most of my ideas come from Alistair MacLean so who am I to judge.

 

It's just not clear where the jobs will come from.

And that is, at least for me, the scary thing. I'm beginning to understand why Jame's Watt first knitting machine was torched to the ground by an angry mob

 

Looks like Trump's magic wand is bigger than Obama's:

I was only joking about the Oreo jobs. Did he save those as well?

 

That corruption and malfeasance happen is hardly a good justification for also handing out goodies to illegals.

To the degree that a Republican congress resisted infrastructure spending, it was because they knew it was just a slush fund for the Democrat party. A trillion dollars were spent on shovel-ready projects. Where did it go? Union pension funds, and then right back to Democrat campaign funds. Not one pothole got filled.

Trump and Pence deduced to take it up a notch. $7000/employee corporate subsidy allows the corporation to pay a slave wage and the government covers the rest. I though the policy of the government was not to negotiate with terrorists and extortionists. Carrier has done what others couldn't do.

 

I did a little look see and know what? A man can find a link that fits his world view, who knew.(but in all seriousness chill on Ayn)

http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/shrugging-off-ayn-rand.html

Years ago, if anybody ever asked me about my intellectual views, I had a ready answer. I was an Objectivist. In fact, I had a ready answer for just about any intellectual, metaphysical, political, ethical, or aesthetic question that might come up. I had read Ayn Rand's books - novels like The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, nonfiction works like The Virtue of Selfishness and Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal - and I had absorbed her philosophy, Objectivism. I believed it, I advocated it, and I tried to live by it.

And now, two decades later, I find that Ayn Rand plays almost no role in my thinking, that I never look at her books, and that her ideas strike me as irrelevant and, in certain respects, downright disagreeable. Something has changed. But what?

Before we get into that, let's take a look at what Objectivism is all about. Briefly, Ayn Rand starts with the assumption - or “metaphysical axiom,” as she would say - that reality consists exclusively of what is perceivable by the physical senses. This rules out God and any supernatural dimension. She goes on to argue that only reason can integrate sensory data and arrive at objectively valid conclusions. Thus all human action should be predicated on reason, including the class of human action that falls under the heading of ethics. An objective, rational ethics is therefore a necessity of human existence, and Rand proceeds to define one - an ethics of rational self-interest from which any altruistic motives or duties are excluded. There follows a defense of pure laissez-faire capitalism, the only socioeconomic system that gives free rein to profit-seeking selfishness.

Reason, egoism, individualism, capitalism - Objectivism in a nutshell.

All of this was intensely exciting to me when I was a teenager looking for answers to life's big questions. Rand served up those answers in easily digestible essays and exciting fiction. She could be fiery and shocking, or analytical and precise, as circumstances warranted. She seemed to combine the passion of idealism with the rigor of intellectual disputation. I read all her books, and reread most of them several times. And from when I was seventeen until at least my mid-twenties, Ayn Rand was the dominant intellectual influence in my life. I met many people who felt likewise, fellow Objectivists who had experienced the same excitement, the same sense of discovery and liberation, when encountering Rand's books.

 

Trump and Pence deduced to take it up a notch. $7000/employee corporate subsidy allows the corporation to pay a slave wage and the government covers the rest. I though the policy of the government was not to negotiate with terrorists and extortionists. Carrier has done what others couldn't do.

I (sort of) understand the need to sometimes subsidize basic services and commodities, such as electricity or maybe elemental medical assistance.
But I don't think that subsidizing something like an AC factory can be a good thing.

 

I did a little look see and know what? A man can find a link that fits his world view, who knew.(but in all seriousness chill on Ayn)

http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/shrugging-off-ayn-rand.html

"Atlas Shrugged" has been on my reading list for a long time. And now Joey is making me want to read it even more.
The reason I've been putting it off is that I'm sure it's going to be depressing ... well, so was "A brave new world" ... and it was fascinating too

 

The thing is that her view of the world was as pleasant as Mao, Stalin and NK's fat man.

They aren't people but means to advance yourself.

 

The thing is that her view of the world was as pleasant as Mao, Stalin and NK's fat man.

They aren't people but means to advance yourself.

Oh, I know about that... but I think it's always good to know what sort of demons one has to fight and repel.

 

Good to hear. That post made me delete my next post

 

...and NK's fat man

Thanks for the laugh!

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Good to hear. That post made me delete my next post

... now you left me wondering what you were going to say ...

 

Oh, I know about that... but I think it's always good to know what sort of demons one has to fight and repel.

I know what you mean

 

... now you left me wondering what you were going to say ...

Uhmm it was really fluid so what exactly i can't remember. But it had a lot to do with not getting brainwashed by her writing...(or something like that)

 

Uhmm it was really fluid so what exactly i can't remember. But it had a lot to do with not getting brainwashed by her writing...(or something like that)

Nahh... the only brainwash that I do is through my scalp... and I use shampoo for that...

 

I did a little look see and know what? A man can find a link that fits his world view, who knew

Ayn Rand wrote the handbooks on being a sociopath. Look only to yourself not even your family. At least joey lets them live in his house, but probably charges them rent.

 

I (sort of) understand the need to sometimes subsidize basic services and commodities, such as electricity or maybe elemental medical assistance.
But I don't think that subsidizing something like an AC factory can be a good thing.

Trump is taking credit for it, but since Pence is still the sitting governor, he's the one who did it. Wait till the next few years when the Indiana "peasants" have to pony up more taxes to make up what was given to Carrier. Plus some pressure was probably put on Carrier's parent company, United Technologies, or they would stand to lose some of their federal government contracts. They do ~$5 billion a year for the government. http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...-likely-biggest-factor-carrier-deal/94670496/