http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Wind-Energy-Now-Directly-Competing-With-Coal-On-Cost.html

The PTC is already set to decline to 20 percent by 2019, and will be phased out after that. The decision to renew the credit in 2015 largely drove the current rush of investment. Those economic arguments tend to emphasize short-term gains, as the federal government has recently indicated it plans on eliminating many of the previous administration’s clean power regulations. That would threaten wind power’s cheap appeal and cause it to lose its competitive edge over natural gas.

 

Solar has a better future in my opinion. It's already winning in a lot of niche locations and costs keep dropping. I don't think you can say that about wind.

I believe I heard that solar only recently got out of the red, meaning the industry has finally made more electricity than it took to build all the panels.

 

Solar has a better future in my opinion. It's already winning in a lot of niche locations and costs keep dropping. I don't think you can say that about wind.

I believe I heard that solar only recently got out of the red, meaning the industry has finally made more electricity than it took to build all the panels.

There are some great places for wind turbines. Unfortunately, many companies, communities and individuals have installed wind turbines with good intentions but completely failed because if poor wind conditions. Additionally, wind farms are much more profitable than individual turbines because they do take trained people and expensive equipment to keep them running.

Conversely, putting solar in Cleveland or Seattle is not a great investment either. There is no one winner or loser. There are different solutions for each situation.

 

As for Feymans video, he is exactly right. The first person to put a theory together that models/explains/describes the physical experiment will publish it. It is put out there to be tested, beat up and analyzed.

Where in Feyman's video did you hear about "advocating public policy"? I sure didn't. Now we are back to Eisenhower's warning in his fair well address.

Didn't you get the memo? The science is settled. That right there makes me a skeptic, among other things.

 

Where in Feyman's video did you hear about "advocating public policy"? I sure didn't. Now we are back to Eisenhower's warning in his fair well address.

Didn't you get the memo? The science is settled. That right there makes me a skeptic, among other things.

I've never met a climate researcher but I suppose he/she would be proud of their work (whether their theories are pointing towards or away from human-influences for changes). People who are proud if their work do support (advocate) the career and the topic. One way to advocate is to praise the policy that funds the research. It is no different than a former government employee advocating by posting signs that promote his/her glory days.

Click for an example...

Spoiler: Advocate

 

Seems wind turbine technicians are one of the fastest growing jobs in the country right now.

http://insights.globalspec.com/article/4973/wind-turbine-technician-fastest-growing-job-in-america

Especially considering the apparent goal is to increase wind power production by ~ 8 time sinteh next 10 or less years.

Rather guessing that now that they have put enough of them up all over the continent they know what sites are financially viable ones and which aren't.

 

Seems wind turbine technicians are one of the fastest growing jobs in the country right now.

http://insights.globalspec.com/article/4973/wind-turbine-technician-fastest-growing-job-in-america

Especially considering the apparent goal is to increase wind power production by ~ 8 time sinteh next 10 or less years.

Rather guessing that now that they have put enough of them up all over the continent they know what sites are financially viable ones and which aren't.

I suppose if engineers keep dying when they explode...they'll have to keep hiring more.

 

I suppose if engineers keep dying when they explode...they'll have to keep hiring more.

And that's relevant to wind powers overall economic and social value and growth how?

So some 4000 - 5000+ people die on home and auto accidents every day yet that's of what concern to anyone let alone the construction of new homes and vehicles or the creation of more jobs related to them to whom?

An isolated accident case does not represent the whole of an industry.

 

And that's relevant to wind powers overall economic and social value and growth how?

So some 4000 - 5000+ people die on home and auto accidents every day yet that's of what concern to anyone let alone the construction of new homes and vehicles or the creation of more jobs related to them to whom?

An isolated accident case does not represent the whole of an industry.

I just thought the picture was intense and wanted an excuse to share.

Again, if you want a jobs program, let's power the grid via bicycles pedaled by minimum-wage humans. Fewer humans per MWHr should be the goal -- not more.

 

And that's relevant to wind powers overall economic and social value and growth how?

So some 4000 - 5000+ people die on home and auto accidents every day yet that's of what concern to anyone let alone the construction of new homes and vehicles or the creation of more jobs related to them to whom?

An isolated accident case does not represent the whole of an industry.

If one death is so tragic, then we should first focus on the biggest causes of unnatural deaths - hospitals and guns. Maybe wind turbines are #3. We can look at those next.

 

Hospitals and prescribed pharmaceuticals are #1, 2 and 3 in the U.S. Guns don't even come close.

 

If one death is so tragic, then we should first focus on the biggest causes of unnatural deaths - hospitals and guns. Maybe wind turbines are #3. We can look at those next.

Yep. Pretty sure two guys in the world dieing in a freak wind generator fire once a decade is a non issue Vs the 35 million plus who die from everything else preventable worldwide every year.

Million plus preventable deaths a year just in the US.

https://www.healthaliciousness.com/...able-Causes of Death-in-the-United-States.php

Top 10 world wide preventables are good for ~28 million just to themselves.

https://www.healthaliciousness.com/...able-Causes of Death-in-the-United-States.php

 

Pretty sure two guys in the world dieing in a freak wind generator fire once a decade is a non issue Vs the 35 million plus who die from everything else preventable worldwide every year.

I notice how you are ignoring my original point.

 

Now you are pro-min

Hospitals and prescribed pharmaceuticals are #1, 2 and 3 in the U.S. Guns don't even come close.

So you position the urgency of wind turbine accidents where...?

 

I notice how you are ignoring my original point.

Lesson?
- Stay on topic and don't distract your own audience.

 

But, science!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...fac952-2f39-11e7-9dec-764dc781686f_story.html

Anti-vaccine advocates defend their position and their role, saying they merely provided information to parents.

“The Somalis had decided themselves that they were particularly concerned,” Wakefield said last week. “I was responding to that.”

He maintained that he bears no fault for what is now happening within the community: “I don’t feel responsible at all.”

Another example of the 'naturalistic fallacy'.

 

But, science!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...fac952-2f39-11e7-9dec-764dc781686f_story.html


Another example of the 'naturalistic fallacy'.

I rely on Penn & Teller wrt vaccine hysteria:

 

Lesson?
- Stay on topic and don't distract your own audience.

Yep. I am not even sure exactly what point he was going for now . Too much topical drift burred the primary point of the subject to where I could come up with multiple possible points now.

1. Wind power kills? Not really. Freak statistical anomaly.

2. Wind power is not economically viable or such? Well sort of depending on where it's located and who manages it. Initially no but definitely gaining ground fast on it's independent viability in the present.

3. The government subsidizes it too much? Kind of yes but it's also a necessary part of new technology developed and refined into a viable self supporting system of its own in a reasonable time frame which is what it is just starting the transition into now.

4. He just doesn't like wind power? Well yea. I sort of feel that vibe.

5. I'm suposed to make some other point? Could be.

 

I am not even sure exactly what point he was going for now.

Wind power == Jobs program.

 

So you position the urgency of wind turbine accidents where...?

Nowhere. Too few to even notice if not for the cool photo.