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joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Pretty sure thats what Glock meant when they said, you can dry fire. Not for dry fire practice sessions.
I'm sure I've got > 50,000 dry-fire trigger pulls on my Glock -- in addition to at least 20,000 live-fire rounds.

When the firing pin breaks, I'll replace it.
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
10,050
I'm sure I've got > 50,000 dry-fire trigger pulls on my Glock
And what are you effectively learning from the dry firing? Aren't you afraid that in a real defensive situation, after working the slide to allow a second or more pull of the trigger in all your dry firing, your muscle memory will kick in and you'll rack the slide for the next shot? Dumping a live round in the process.

For members that don't know, a Glock and most other striker fired pistols have to have the slide recoil to preset the striker, before the trigger can be pulled. If the slide doesn't move through it's full range of motion, the trigger doesn't work.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
6,280
And what are you effectively learning from the dry firing? Aren't you afraid that in a real defensive situation, after working the slide to allow a second or more pull of the trigger in all your dry firing, your muscle memory will kick in and you'll rack the slide for the next shot? Dumping a live round in the process.

For members that don't know, a Glock and most other striker fired pistols have to have the slide recoil to preset the striker, before the trigger can be pulled. If the slide doesn't move through it's full range of motion, the trigger doesn't work.
If you read the previous posts, you would see that I provided an explanation as to why intimate knowledge of your weapon's trigger action (and feel) are absolutely necessary to accurate shooting.

I practice all aspects of defensive shooting. Dry firing is the least expensive training you can do, and, imho, one of the most important.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
6,280
Further, many shooters consistently shoot high, low, left, or right. Without a trained marksman watching over your shoulder, it's almost impossible to understand why -- and to fix it -- without dry firing.

And the first thing that marksman is going to tell you to do is practice dry firing. Usually with an empty shell balanced on top of the slide.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Active defense requires a number of actions: assess the threat, confirm the target and backstop, draw the pistol, rack the slide (if you carry unchambered), disengage the safety (if there is one), acquire the target, pull the trigger.

All these must be practiced to the point they are natural muscle/thought actions. If you have to stop to think -- and you are up against an armed perp -- you are dead.

All these actions are trained both independently and in conjunction with each other to the extent possible. Practicing the complete series of actions requires dry fire. Few ranges exist that will allow you to practice unsupervised draw/shoot with live rounds. It is dangerous for you and them.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
18,104
These look fun.

https://www.laser-ammo.com/laser-training/products

And Ruger says pretty much the same thing as Glock, "it's fine but but use a snap cap anyway"

"So, is it safe to dry fire your pistol? We contacted Ruger and asked their technical advisors to see what they had to say. According to them, dry firing is perfectly fine on all of their modern centerfire firearms for clearing the weapon, dropping the hammer/striker, or just trying out the trigger. However for practice, they said you should definitely use snap caps. And that just makes sense. When practicing for USPSA Limited Revolver, I’d regularly go through 100 trigger pulls a night, on snap caps as that was how I’d been taught. Ruger technicians confirmed for us that if you’re going to be practicing with your revolver or semiautomatic pistol, you should seriously consider using snap caps."

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/dry-fire-practice-is-it-safe-for-your-firing-pin/
 
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joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
6,280
Active defense requires a number of actions: assess the threat, confirm the target and backstop, draw the pistol, rack the slide (if you carry unchambered), disengage the safety (if there is one), acquire the target, pull the trigger.
Did I mention all this needs to be done in three seconds or less?
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
10,050
If you read the previous posts, you would see that I provided an explanation as to why intimate knowledge of your weapon's trigger action (and feel) are absolutely necessary to accurate shooting.
You totally missed my point. How are you getting, quoting you, "your weapon's trigger action (and feel)", on a Glock, without racking the slide?
 

dannyf

Joined Sep 13, 2015
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It is fairly easy to figure out what is the primary driver of gun crimes: guns or criminals.

If gun availability is the primary driver, you woukd expects lots of gun related crimes atbgun shows, and no gun related crimes in gun free zones or cities.

The reality is good at telling the truth, you just need to wake up to it.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
18,104
Clever, but I'm not convinced it's more than a novelty. It might have an advantage of reduced lethality at longer range, while still delivering a wallop up close.
 
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