Trade licensing is a form of the old apprenticeship method. The government has taken upon itself the responsibility of "qualifying" people that want to work in the trades. It is the influence of the old apprenticeship method that causes requirements that you be experienced in each trade. As I said in a previous post, I am very over qualfied to be an electrician, and a lot of other people are, but you can not get a license without experience that is sworn to by people that are already in the trade of your choice.

I can underatand this when I see BSEE's come here and ask how to connect a single transistor to a microcontroller. A college degree leaves much to be desired in practical experience.

Licensing boards are always regional. Some only control a single county. Some are statewide. Still, small cities inside a county often require certain qualifications. A county license or a state license ususlly trumps a city requirement.

You seem to be asking for someone to describe the qualification and licensing requirements for every job in the world. This is impossible. You must decide what you want to work on, and where, and then ask how. You ask how at the local licening board.

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You seem to be asking for someone to describe the qualification and licensing requirements for every job in the world. This is impossible. You must decide what you want to work on, and where, and then ask how. You ask how at the local licening board.

yes because mostly every trade job that I have come across knowledge-wise at most to actually understand how to do it can be easilly obtained from a subset of the knowledge of a 4/masters degree in an engineering discipline. The only difference is you need the experience in actually doing or at least the approval.

So in theory if you already have an engineering degree in all major engineering areas then how much more work would it be to obtain the approval to work in these trades.

Question 2
Somebody fresh out of college that has an engineering degree what would he be qualified to do. Say he has 2 degrees one in mechanical and one in electrical. Would he still have to go into a trade school and go thru the steps to become an electrian or could he bypass some steps.

I understand the engineers technically has more skills in general but what can an engineer do that the trade guys cann't and visa-versa?

Seems to me that engineers need to be certified by the trade guys to do work on airplanes , cars , boats , homes ,...etc but then what does the engineer do with all his knowledge.

Seems to me your kind of letting the less knowledgeable person into these hands on professions and boxing out the engineers ( but maybe I am wrong .... what does a mechanical or electrical engineer do if he cann't at least do electrician / construction work. )

Seems people are less focus on the more knowledge and more focused on the experience which determines a certain average level of competency. What should be going on is an equal balance of both for eventually the next generation will superseded the present... denying completely either type of person is just stupid. There should be an easy way that somebody fresh out of college is competeing with only people at his level and there should be equal jobs at equal levels.
Anything else to save money is just sacrificing human development and ingeniuty

 

We don't know how old this guy is,how much life experience he has.

I have been near most of the subjects,for instant I was among a

group of specical mechanic's that loaded a sheriffs helicopter on a

flat bed truck.The blades had to be removed,special swats team

had to control every move,regular deputies had no part of the

process,other than keep a perimeter patrol,no one got near the

special equipment in the cockpit,the helicopter got a special escort

to a hanger,for repairs.. I was next to a F-17,I was only allowed to

touch it,just some life experience. As subjects come up it reminds

me of experience.

 

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Seems to me you're kind of letting the less knowledgeable person into these hands on professions and boxing out the engineers ( but maybe I am wrong

I am not boxing out anybody. The licensing boards make the requirements. I have not seen any licensing requirements for the skilled trades that allow ANY credit for a college education, but I only live in one state.

Repeating myself yet again, I am over qualified to be an electrician and many other people are, but you can't get anywhere without going through the requirements to get a license. The licensing requirements are always regional. You can ask the city, county, or state licensing board what their requirements are. If you find one that allows you to be a sheet metal worker or an air conditioning designer just because you have an engineering degree, more power to you, and please tell us where that is.

 

We what I am getting at is if somebody has an engineering degree what jobs other then theoretical/research can they do.

Seems to me the trade guys / trade specialists have all the building/construction based jobs.

So then what does a typical engineer do if not building the objects like planes , cars , boats , rockets ,...etc

I don't nessarially disagree with the requirments for these provide a level of safety in a sinces that the workers at least know the exact things they will be doing. (i.e it is a form of control so that you guarentee that the worker knows the job he is required to do)

What I am more looking for is a job that allows you to build these things and switch from boats , rockets , cars ,...etc (i.e a job that allows you to learn/muck with all these things sort of like a research and developing / building all in one.... obviously not for commerical use DOES THAT EXIST FOR A JOB)

Or must you specialize in something and stay in a couple of areas for most of your life for a job.

Kind of like the ability to do a little of everything.
I have many skills and feel like I can do most of alot of different types of jobs I would like the ability not to have to take another 2 to 4 years out of my life everytime I want to change what profession I want to do. (maybe that is not possible / allowable )

Question 2
what exactly can an engineer do/allowed to do, seems its all trade guys building stuff whats left for the engineers to build/do?

 

what exactly can an engineer do/allowed to do, seems its all trade guys building stuff whats left for the engineers to build/do?

They design the stuff that the tradesmen build. If an individual is studying to get a masters/bachelors degree in engineering of whatever they are typically not trying to get out in the field to build stuff. They are usually trying to get in with some big engineering firm to design.

 

ok so technically engineers don't really touch much interms of building things for the customer these are the tradesman that do this.

And engineers are just the designers not the builders ,...i.e write up the spec's ...etc that the trades guys use as opposed to putting it together.

Well that completely changes my mind on engineering if you are a do it yourself'er / like to build you probably want to go into a tradesman type job instead of an engineering type job.
And if you like research , design, and improving then you probably want to go into engineering.

I hope students are aware of the differences because it would be bad news obtaining an engineering degree only to find you need to do trade school as well .... (obviously over kill is not bad but to some people they may find it not worth it or a waste of time under there beliefs)

I guess it all depends on what you really want to do we need all types of people barbers to cut hair , builders to build stuff , thinkers ,...etc just because you don't care for a job or think it is below your standards or need more intelligent work doesn't make the job any less important.... some jobs people think are easy/not worth doing but if nobody cleaned **** up the world would be full of **** LOL

Thanks I think I am all set with the distinction and what is required by what type of job (or at least where to find it)