# Building A Mechanical Electron Wave Simulator

#### Glenn Holland

Joined Dec 26, 2014
703
On the subject of quantum mechanics, I'm thinking about making an electron wave simulator out of a "Slinky" spring toy which is an excellent model of wave motion:

I'm familiar with how waves can move through a stationary group of particles such as sound waves traveling through a medium (like the column of air in an organ pipe). However the concept of particles themselves (such as electrons) moving through free space as waves (or in a circular motion in an atom) is somewhat obscure to visualize.

My concept of an electron wave in the orbital of an atom is a longitudinal wave with the point of maximum charge density (essentially what is called "the electron" in the Bohr model) continuously traveling around the nucleus in an "electron cloud" that wraps around the the nucleus. This is analogous to a sound wave continuously traveling around an organ pipe that's bent in a circle.

My idea is to simulate electron waves in the orbital of an atom by the wave motion through a Slinky wrapped in a circle (like a donut) and the ends connected together. A longitudinal wave would continuously travel around the Slinky, but it's important to note that the Slinky itself does not rotate - it's just the wave motion that rotates. This would explain how "the electron" (actually the point of maximum charge density in the electron cloud) can move in a circular path while avoiding the "Synchrotron Death Spiral".

#### nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
12,771
The main problem with this 'model' is that matter (de broglie) 'waves' are scalar not a vector wave. This means it can't be "transverse" nor "longitudinal", it's something special where the probability amplitude is oscillating.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scalar_wave
In real physics
In physics, a quantity described as "scalar" only contains information about its magnitude. In contrast, a "vector" quantity contains information both about its magnitude and about its direction. By this definition, a "scalar wave" in physics would be defined as any solution to a "scalar wave equation".[4] In reality, this definition is far too general to be useful, and as a result the term "scalar wave" is used exclusively by cranks and peddlers of woo.

Solutions to scalar wave equations are actually quite prevalent (and useful) in physics. Some prominent examples include acoustic (sound) waves, the motion of a taut string being stretched (such as a guitar string being plucked), and the motion of waves in water (such as the ripples from a stone being dropped into a pond). In contrast, electromagnetic waves are vector quantities derived as solutions to a set of vector wave equations (in this case Maxwell's equations).

The concept of a "scalar field theory"[5] also exists, and plays an important role in several branches of physics. It should be noted that while no scalar field has ever been observed in nature, the physics behind scalar field theory is still sound. In fact, it is believed that the Higgs boson may provide the first evidence of such a field (the Higgs field is hypothesized to be a scalar field). In comparison, "scalar waves" have never been observed in nature, and are rooted in sound physics about as well as the average chemtrail is rooted to the ground (not at all).

#### RichardO

Joined May 4, 2013
2,270
Maybe, mouse traps and ping pong balls.

#### BR-549

Joined Sep 22, 2013
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The amplitude of the electric field of a particle......or ALL the electric fields and magnetic fields of an atom.....are CONSTANT. They are ALL DC fields. The power of all the fields is constant.

The "vibration" or oscillations........are from an equalization process that balances un-equal field densities. This process causes a physical displacement of the electron. This physical location of the electron is being jiggled. The electron stays in a very confined area.

The apparent AC fluctuation of an atom is caused by TWO DC currents rotating in opposite directions. These two currents have different densities......causing the yin and yang movement.

#### bertus

Joined Apr 5, 2008
22,264
Hello,

Maybe, mouse traps and ping pong balls.
It looks like a demonstration of the avalance effect.

Bertus

#### RichardO

Joined May 4, 2013
2,270
It looks like a demonstration of the avalanche effect.
Actually nuclear fission. I am not sure if an avalanche in snow or electronics is the same phenomena.