Attic fan quit, 5mfd run capacitor reads open

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sdowney717

Joined Jul 18, 2012
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Confident the run capacitor is bad.
Question is can a failed run capacitor destroy the motor windings?
I can peek in the motor housing and see mostly shiny copper windings.
120vac brush less motor has free bearings
This is an old Craftsman fan from the 1980's.
Last year, I oiled the bearings, and it worked great till a couple weeks ago, I no longer heard it running.

Motor is dead, no spin, no vibration, no nothing.
I verified it has 120vac power at the motor.
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MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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Generally if the start/run cap has failed, the motor will 'Buzz', giving it a spin can often start it.
As per last post, check motor resistance, do the windings show any discoloring?
 

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sdowney717

Joined Jul 18, 2012
725
Have ordered a new capacitor. $7.50 to find out.
Pic is from when I first decided to use it, took it all apart and it was in great shape.

Capacitor is definitely open I think, top is also bulged up.
Ohmmeter reads infinity ohms, and reversing leads shows no meter change.
Motor is FASCO
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sdowney717

Joined Jul 18, 2012
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If motor is still dead, will open it up and look.
With power to fan, I checked for volts across the disconnected capacitor wires and there was none.

Does that tell anything?
 

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sdowney717

Joined Jul 18, 2012
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I tried charging cap with 9v battery, it does not charge up.

And don't these fan motors have a thermal fuse sitting on the windings?
I have gotten fan motors to run bypassing it,
If the cap failed, it could have caused motor windings to overheat and blown a thermal fuse, if it exists.
 

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sdowney717

Joined Jul 18, 2012
725
Motor winding burned and broke to the wires, so it's trashed. No fuse inside crappy motor.
I think the bad run cap caused it to overheat. So a bad run cap can destroy a good motor.
I have a fan furnace motor of 5.5" diameter. I can likely make it fit the clamp bracket used with attic fan.
Both are 1/2" shaft.
Old attic fan motor is 5" diameter and a 5mfd cap
Furnace motor, 5.5" diameter and says 7mfd cap
Ohmed out good, bearings good.
look good all around.
What if I use a 5mfd instead of a 7 mfd?
4 wires, multispeed motor, which speed would be best for an attic fan?


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furnace blower motor 1/2 hp
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sdowney717

Joined Jul 18, 2012
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And would the lower speed use less amps, motor says 8 amps?
wires for lower speeds have progressively higher ohms to white wire.
It is free though. And thermally protected, means has a fuse?
I feel like it is a good quality motor. Rotation is correct for fan blade.
 

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sdowney717

Joined Jul 18, 2012
725
You MAY get away with 5μf, but I would use on top speed if using just this value.
Ok, I will get a 7.5mfd as no 7mfd are sold today that I see.
I did read you can go up in mfd and not good to go down.
If it works, lots cheaper than a new attic fan.
Since motor ohms out good, and bearings are tight, it should work is my thinking.
 

LowQCab

Joined Nov 6, 2012
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Don't be so hard on the Motor and Capacitor manufacturers,
that Fan may be running in Air that is around ~150F ( 65C ) for long periods.

You should at least make sure that the Capacitor that You get is rated for those Temps, or higher.
If You can't find a Capacitor rated for that kind of Heat,
then get one that is at least rated for twice as much Voltage.
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BTW, Personally I do not use motor capacitors that originate from China, they have a very poor history.
You can't go wrong with something like CDE, oil filled paper types, intended for this purpose.
 

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sdowney717

Joined Jul 18, 2012
725
I found a capacitor 7.5 mfd that was in an extra air handler.
It is quite long compared to the 5.
Tested motor and it runs good.

And I expanded the mount bracket to fit 5.5 " motor.
Here it is mocked up.
Looks like everything will fit with new drilled holes.

Will need new bolts and nuts and washers. OEM welded nuts to sheet metal.
I will drill new holes and use threaded rod to hold rod to sheet metal, like nut washer sheet metal sandwich.
The 2 piece rubber bushings will slide on the rod, fan bracket will slide on and outer bushings with washer and nut.

I may even have 1/4 threaded rod here, then just need nuts and washers.

will mount with oil plugs up

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sdowney717

Joined Jul 18, 2012
725
This fan is a gable end mount.
I wonder if run caps can actually get higher temp ones?
This one is good to 158 *F, has large amount good feedback.
BOJACK 7.5 uF ±6% 7.5 MFD 370V/440V CBB65 Oval Run Start Capacitor for AC Motor Run or Fan Start and Cool or Heat Pump Air Conditione: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific


  • BOJACK 7.5 uf MFD 370V/440VAC Oval Run Start Capacitor
  • Operating Temperature Range -40 ℃ to +70 ℃/ -104℉ to +158℉
  • This Capacitor Will Run Compressor And Fan Motor
  • UL Recognized,Engineered For Safety 10 000 AFC Anti Explosion Pressure Switch
  • Replacement for :27L566BZ3 , 27L566 , 27L566S , 97F9001 , Z97F9001 ,97F9001BX ,CPT-00120 ,TP-CAP-7.5/440,TOCF7.5
 
My experience is that a capacitor with not enough capacitance will not allow a motor start, but it might run with a spin start. That was on a SEARS furnace my dad bought 60 years ago. So a bunch of 0.47 Mfd caps across the 5 mic cap and the motor ran like that for many years. So adequate run cap is mandatory for the motor to run. Even a motor with multiple taps for different speeds.
 
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