Strantor posted something about Jamais Vu, so I looked it up and it's a real word, but it made me think of another kind of mental shift.

I sometimes have another type of mental shift and I don't know what to call it. Precognition? There have been times when everything goes into slow motion and I know exactly what's going to happen next. I know the words the person next to me is going to say and everything is in my control like I'm Superman or something.

For example: I was doing the sound recording at a wedding and it was time to throw the garter. I knew where it was going to be before it was thrown. I positioned myself properly, jumped up and tapped the garter in mid-air, let it fall to the floor, then bent down and picked it up like I was the only person in the room.

Another one was a dark and stormy night. I was stopped at a red light. A black limo was approaching from the left and a black pick-up truck was going to make a left turn across the path of the limo. I turned my wheels to the right and went down the access road. I watched the rear view mirror as the pick-up turned in front of the limo. The limo t-boned the pick-up truck. They locked together and spun into the car that was waiting behind where I used to be at the red light.

The auto collision could look like good judgement and risk avoidance but the wedding scenario seems unpredictable. I know a thousand scientists can prove precognition is impossible, but when I have moments like that I am aware it's happening. It never lasts a whole minute, but for that minute, it's like I have an angel on my shoulder.

Anybody else have moments like this?

 

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I sometimes have another type of mental shift and I don't know what to call it.

Ever think of playing the lottery?
Max.

 

Ever think of playing the lottery?
Max.

Yes. On one of my birthdays I received a $50 and a $20 as gifts. I went to buy a pair of shoes and the clerk saw (2) fifty dollar bills, so she gave me change for $100. I went to Barnes& Noble to buy the Active Filter Cookbook by Don Lancaster and they had it in stock. I felt so lucky that I bought a lottery ticket on the way home, but it didn't pay off. (That was the only lottery ticket I ever bought.)

I told you, those moments last less than a minute. No way one of those minutes is going to last long enough to drive to (4) locations.

 

Not me, but my dad claims to have had a few moments like that. He isn't a "tall tales" kind of guy, so I'm inclined to believe him.

 

As I kid maybe until 12yo, I frequently remembered someone that few minutes later I met at the street.

The other thing that used to make me furious was my secretary who, with no warning, completed my sentences exactly as I was planing to say them.

I told her she was actually reading my mind (i did NOT like the idea) but she simply denied it. It was amazing.

 

Yes. On one of my birthdays I received a $50 and a $20 as gifts. I went to buy a pair of shoes and the clerk saw (2) fifty dollar bills, so she gave me change for $100. I went to Barnes& Noble to buy the Active Filter Cookbook by Don Lancaster and they had it in stock. I felt so lucky that I bought a lottery ticket on the way home, but it didn't pay off. (That was the only lottery ticket I ever bought.)

I told you, those moments last less than a minute. No way one
of those minutes is going to last long enough to drive to (4) locations.

Wait you new you had a $50 and $20 but took change for $100? That has happened to me a couple of times but I have said something.

When I see young cashiers that give me the wrong change either in my favor or not o my favor, I tell them that they should place the bills on top of their drawer. Give the customer their change, then wait till they walk away or at least place the change in their wallet before putting the change in the drawer slots. That way no one can say they gave the cashier a $20 when really they gave them a $10.

 

I remember once I had precognition and didn't act. I parked at work between 2 trucks. I got this odd feeling when I parked there like something was going to happen. About an hour later a co-worker came to me as told me someone hit my car. I went to the parking lot an hit was an understatement. The one truck driver mad too sharp of a turn and hit the left side dragging the right side of the car into the truck on my right. He then got tangled up an decided to back up into the front of my car to get loose. Basically the whole front of my car was destroyed.

On another occasion I was making a left turn into the Alcoa plant in Wenatchee , WA. I was looking at the instructions and looking at the plant but not paying attention to what was in front of me. I started to make my turn without looking. Something made me stop. Jut then a logging truck came barreling by just inches from my fender. Had I proceeded with my turn, I would not be typing this right now.

 

Anybody for precognition?
I knew you were going to post that

 

Wait you new you had a $50 and $20 but took change for $100? That has happened to me a couple of times but I have said something.

My precognition is still working! I knew some jerk would assume I kept the money instead of addressing the subject of the Thread.

 

My precognition is still working! I knew some jerk would assume I kept the money instead of addressing the subject of the Thread.

Well I didn't have precognition and you did not mention that you didn't keep the money. You made it sound like you used your windfall to buy a book.

 

I have never had such a moment, but I don't doubt that they occur, because many have reported such events.
The question is how is that possible?
Is it some sort of quantum world effect where the time arrow events ahead can be momentarily seen by some?
There has been speculation that the human brain operates on some level as a quantum computer, enabling us to solve certain types of problems that a Turing (algorithmic digital) computer cannot (example).
Perhaps it's that connection to the quantum world that allows such precognition for some.

 

I have never had such a moment, but I don't doubt that they occur, because many have reported such events.
The question is how is that possible?
Is it some sort of quantum world effect where the time arrow events ahead can be momentarily seen by some?

There was a joke I intended to put in my Jamais vu thread but forgot...
The Matrix taught me what Deja vu is, and how to handle it, but left me completely unprepared for Jamais vu.
The same applies here. I don't see how this fits into The Matrix.

On a more serious note... Well, actually I don't have anything to say on a more serious note because I wouldn't know WTF I'm talking about.

 

It's happened to me a couple of times... I think the brain is an incredibly complex computer that, with the right perception and with all senses working at full capacity, it's powerful enough to subconsciously predict the outcome of very complicated situations...
Ever watched Limitless, btw?

 

I recall Tiger Woods explaining how he could predict the trajectory of a golf ball right before he took a swing with the club. I suspect the same thing probably happens with a lot of football quarterbacks and basketball players.

 

The only way I have handled those moments when time slows down and I know the outcome, was to go with the flow, and it has never failed. Everything happened exactly as I knew it would, right down to hand gestures and tonal inflections. Emotionally, it is frightening to be in that moment. What if I tried to change the outcome? Would something go horribly wrong? What if it never stopped? Would I quickly believe in predetermination? Would I become depressed to know that I have no choices?

I might have tried to contradict the future I saw coming, just to test whether the outcome was inevitable, but I never have, and I'm afraid to try. Mostly, I am grateful they always last less than a minute. After that, I might wish I could have that happen at a Roulette table, but those events are few and far between, maybe once in a decade. That is good. It is rather unsettling when it happens and I dare not tell lest I be called insane or a liar. This is the first time I have told anyone, but I trust this community to be honest with me, apparently more than I trust any single person.

 

Driving the motorcycle down a crowded main road in town the realization entered my mind that "I could have an accident". It was more clear than it would have been if somebody had spoken it into my ear. Just popped into my mind. Thirty or forty yards later, a motorbike backed onto the road from between two stopped cars. The distance was so short that I could not change my course very much. Missed his wheel by 1 or 2 cm. About fifteen minutes later that same day while driving in town on a nearly empty road I decided to pass the pokey motorbike in front of me, and started to do so on the proper side. It was at that moment he decided to make an impromptu U-turn, right into me. Fortunately, our handlebars touched and that forced me into my own U-turn. I was involved in an collision that day but luckily only suffered a little bruise on one finger. Was that a precognition?

@#12 You might be interested in hearing of some of Rupert Sheldrake's work, some of which is in the area of precognition. He does experiments and shows some robust results. He is easy to find on the internet.

Edit: I meant to write : Dean Radin. Sheldrake is vaguely interesting but he seems to go way beyond what his few experiments suggest. Dean Radin, on the other hand seems to be more of a scientist.

 

@#12 maybe you've never tried to change the outcome because you can't. Maybe you tell yourself you're making a conscious decision to not change things, but really it's out of your control.

 

Driving the motorcycle down a crowded main road in town the realization entered my mind that "I could have an accident".

I had similar feelings during the time I served aboard a US Navy submarine. Several times, maybe 10 or more, I would get the overwhelming feeling that the boat was about to collide with an under water obstacle. Like when you're driving and you see a rapid movement in your mirror and tense up for an impending accident, except there are no mirrors or windows on a submarine; no indication of an impending accident, just a feeling that felt like a precognition. But it was always wrong.

...or was it? There's no way to know how many close calls we had. There are uncharted underwater obstacles all over the place.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a24158/uss-san-francisco-mountain-incident/

 

@#12 maybe you've never tried to change the outcome because you can't. Maybe you tell yourself you're making a conscious decision to not change things, but really it's out of your control.

That's my hypothesis also. When the sensation of deja vu is very strong, you are absolutely convinced that you know everything that is about to happen, but that doesn't mean that's really true, it just means you feel like it is. I think taking any action tends to make the deja vu sensation fade away. Maybe that's because it breaks the illusion.

 

When the sensation of deja vu is very strong, you are absolutely convinced that you know everything that is about to happen,

I want to be clear that I am not talking about deja vu. I am talking about unique situations, like knowing where the garter was going to be before it was thrown. I actually took a step to the right because I knew that was a better position. The result was that I was not in the crowd that was expecting the garter to be thrown toward them. You can't deja vu a badly thrown garter. In fact, that was the only time I ever was at a garter throwing ceremony. You can't deja vu something you're never seen before.

The most disturbing aspect is the slow motion effect. It's almost like being in a movie where the bullet is coming and the victim knows which way to move, but in the real world, I couldn't dodge if it wasn't already the expected outcome. To be clear, this has never happened to me in a situation of critical importance. It isn't like adrenaline and fear caused hypersensitivity. It's more likely to happen in a casual conversation between strangers on the college campus between classes than in a car collision where you know, "This is going to hurt." The lack of any reason to dilate time is a characteristic of the phenomenon. It's just random. It doesn't seem to have a purpose.