I doubt it takes a great intelligence to hunt with a rifle. It's not exactly hard to move silently, take cover and be downwind.

You honestly have no idea do you?

I'll let the others here who hunt or even just do basic target shooting take this one.

 

I actually have idea, you will never prove me that trophy hunting is right which is the topic I'm generally talking about, you are constantly avoiding it and switching it constantly to hunting for food.

 

Not Me! I've never ate anything I have shot!

Raccoons and skunks get a bullet for being nuance animals. Gophers get shot just for fun and minks get shot for childhood vengeance.

People are mostly just for positive public service work/societal improvement. (and occasionally for childhood vengeance too but they're almost all gone now.)

 

If you were to take a large group of physically fit and strong, but mentally mediocre, humans and a large group of very bright, but physically mediocre, humans and plop them down in most survival situations, I would put my money on the bright group having the better change of prevailing over their surroundings, even if that included the two groups being pitted against each other.

There's an interesting hypothesis, put forth in the great book "Born to Run" and other places, that modern humans displaced the likely smarter and stronger Neanderthals because we were better runners. Lighter, better heat dissipation, the right tendon structure in our necks to support our heads, better lungs and diaphragm, and so on. As the planet warmed, our ancestors became the most effective predators on the planet for one reason: We could run every other animal to heat exhaustion. A fit modern human, one that can run a 10K at 80°F or more, can out run everything. It still takes enormous skill and probably cooperative hunting, but we can do it. The Neanderthals couldn't and they eventually lost out.

My point is that we cannot predict who are the "fittest" a priori. A changing environment does that. The phrase "survival of the fittest" is actually an empty tautology and one of the better philosophical arguments against the theory of evolution being good science. We can only judge "fittest" after the fact. The phrase could be re-stated as "Survival of the ones that survive", which doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

 

I actually have idea, you will never prove me that trophy hunting is right which is the topic I'm generally talking about, you are constantly avoiding it and switching it constantly to hunting for food.

On this topic we agree, trophy hunting usually ends badly.

 

actually have idea, you will never prove me that trophy hunting is right which is the topic I'm generally

No one wants to prove to you anything other asking you to be able to think from others perspective.
[Moderator's note: Deliberate insult removed]

That's something you have demonstrated great difficulties in comprehending over repeated efforts.

 

First of all the guy that killed a bear with a spear basically for sport is not a guy which I would even try to store his name in my brain. His accomplishment is small compered to if he had to really hunt for food, fur or defense in my opinion.

Second. I've worked on a farm with livestock and also in a slaughterhouse.

Third. I eat meat. But I also respect animals. The raw laws of the jungle I wish upon no one I care about. Oh and maybe even you as well (I watched too many nature shows as a kid)

So in short, I do not like hunting for sport even though I've caught more fish than most people in their lifetime on the dock/pier from the age of 7-9 which none of got eaten by anybody but the seagulls...

So lets be civil about those things.

 

I don't know about the people in other countries, but most people here state side haven't had do do their own butchering since WWII. Before that we still had a large population that farmed and had livestock.

My grandmother, the kindest person on earth, of course, could throw a chicken upside down in a funnel and cut it's throat, just as easy as flipping pan cakes.

We could all skin squirrels, rabbits and groundhogs by 10 years of age.
Witnessing bleeding and death was not uncommon. Nor was it considered wrong or un-ethical.
It was part of preparing food. Just like it is today.

It can be distasteful and even disgusting to a city slicker.

We raise animals to the very prime of their lives and then butcher them.
We do the same with vegetation. We clear an area of all vegetation, then plant and coddle one species, to the very prime of it's life, then butcher it.

We consume life.

Now a days, here at least, trophy hunting is necessary. It's because we have interfered, if not eliminated the predators. And jail time for poaching. Ouch.

We have been over loaded with deer in my region for many years now.
I wouldn't even try to garden, close to the edge of town, or out of town.

And then ANOTHER IDIOT will see a coyote. You would think the sky is falling. They're gonna eat all the kids.

They'll have a council meeting and issue hunting permits for coyotes.

 

I am grateful and very lucky that somebody else kills the food I eat.

But then you aren't certain what you're consuming! The price of such 'aesthetic sensibility' is a bit dear for my taste (NPI) ---- On the other hand, was acquiescence to convenience at issue, honesty would compel my plea of guilty as charged

Ah well... Ya know what they say about preparation of sausage and law....

Very best regards
HP

 

But then you aren't certain what you're consuming!

Do you think I can't tell the difference between a chicken and a cat just because it's behind a clear plastic wrap?
I think you insult me.

Fifty years ago, I was told by a cook, "Never eat anything you can't recognize."
and I don't. Not even when I'm an inmate in a hospital!
I never eat any kind of sausage or ground, "beef".
I don't even put, "dressing" on a salad unless I made it myself.

Trying to put it nicely, you are preaching to the choir.

cmartinez has said things about my diet, which I have never discussed on any website, unless maybe I was raving about the food I grow in my back yard or the fish I caught. I don't know where you get these ideas.

 

Do you think I can't tell the difference between a chicken and a cat just because it's behind a clear plastic wrap?

I was thinking along the lines of chopped, formed and pressed... tissue --- Then too there's the additives, contents of the animal's feed, the animal's health, (barely possible) genetic alteration (i.e. mutation/variation breeding, etc...) and so on and so on and shooby dooby dooby...

I think you insult me.

I apologize! - such is reflexive of neither my intent nor attitude!

Fifty years ago, I was told by a cook, "Never eat anything you can't recognize." and I don't

Good move!

Not even when I'm an inmate in a hospital!

--Emphasis Added--
Um... Ok... --- So now we're 'even', may we call a truce?

I never eat any kind of sausage or ground, "beef".
I don't even put, "dressing" on a salad unless I made it myself.

Better and better!

cmartinez has said things about my diet, which I have never discussed on any website, unless maybe I was raving about the food I grow in my back yard or the fish I caught. I don't know where you get these ideas.

Speaking for myself (i.e. my comments in post #150) 'twas merely 'mis-assumption' on my part

Very best regards and absolutely no offense intended!
HP

 

--Emphasis Added--
Um... Ok... --- So now we're 'even', may we call a truce?

Aha! So you are a physician of some sort!
(Else you wouldn't find a personal reference in my statement.)

I would like to clarify: the doctors don't hold me hostage, the insurance company does. Any attempt to leave without "consent" results in denial of payment. Then I get stuck with the outrageous gouging done to, "uninsured" people. I understand the responsibility of physicians the establish certain facts before they take responsibility for setting me free, but the idea of leaving AMA has been quashed by the insurance companies. Imagine the price for 18 days as an in-patient, including two ambulance rides and a seven Tesla MRI from my cranium to my coccyx. (I can't.) After the financial dust settled, I got out of that scenario for $150.

I'm talking about my squished disk injury of two years ago (this week).

When I became conscious, my only desire was to leave. I don't like hospitals because I have never been in one unless I had a life threatening trauma, a life threatening illness, or I was watching a relative die. If I can walk and feed myself, I want to leave!!

This phobia was exacerbated by the food. Breakfast was two bowls of, "gray". I think one was grits and one was oatmeal, but I'm not sure. I like corn, but there was nothing to add to the fare. No butter, sugar, fruit, milk...nothing. So I subsisted on one cup of coffee per day and a few crackers that were in a bowl, leftover from yesterday's supper. Having been unconscious for 14 days, I was desperately hungry, but I wouldn't eat their Con-Agra Brand, "mono and di-glycerides with carageenan", and I never discovered when or where any other food was available. Besides, it was probably, "mystery meat". So I sat and waited, spit out their pills, and plotted my escape. I planned it thus: On the first day of consciousness, I emerged in a wheel chair. On the second day, I showed myself in public using crutches. On the third day, I walked unassisted. I left at 12:01 AM 0n the fourth day. I waited until that hour and minute as a concession to their greed for one more day of billing.

To them, it's all about the money. To me, it's more like P.T.S.D. and I'm incarcerated.
If I can walk and feed myself, I want to leave!!

 

Aha! So you are a physician of some sort!
(Else you wouldn't find a personal reference in my statement.)

#12 Maybe she's resident of lunatic asylum with internet privileges and she thought you learned her secret!

 

I think a lot of people here fit that description.

 

I think a lot of people here fit that description.

It's all fair play with HP and me cuz sometimes she says I'm like a young nurse Ratched

 

#12 Maybe she's resident of lunatic asylum with internet privileges and she thought you learned her secret!

That makes a connection to HP's sensitivity to the word, "incarcerated" every bit as well as assuming she's some sort of physician defending the decorum of the profession.

It's all fair play with HP and me cuz sometimes she says I'm like a young nurse Ratched

I would say, "It's all fair play between you and HP."
She is gracious, but I prefer not to strain the relationship with crass references, petty bickering, or pedantic criticism.

 

Aha! So you are a physician of some sort!
(Else you wouldn't find a personal reference in my statement.)

I would like to clarify: the doctors don't hold me hostage, the insurance company does. Any attempt to leave without "consent" results in denial of payment. Then I get stuck with the outrageous gouging done to, "uninsured" people. I understand the responsibility of physicians the establish certain facts before they take responsibility for setting me free, but the idea of leaving AMA has been quashed by the insurance companies. Imagine the price for 18 days as an in-patient, including two ambulance rides and a seven Tesla MRI from my cranium to my coccyx. (I can't.) After the financial dust settled, I got out of that scenario for $150.

I'm talking about my squished disk injury of two years ago (this week).

When I became conscious, my only desire was to leave. I don't like hospitals because I have never been in one unless I had a life threatening trauma, a life threatening illness, or I was watching a relative die. If I can walk and feed myself, I want to leave!!

This phobia was exacerbated by the food. Breakfast was two bowls of, "gray". I think one was grits and one was oatmeal, but I'm not sure. I like corn, but there was nothing to add to the fare. No butter, sugar, fruit, milk...nothing. So I subsisted on one cup of coffee per day and a few crackers that were in a bowl, leftover from yesterday's supper. Having been unconscious for 14 days, I was desperately hungry, but I wouldn't eat their Con-Agra Brand, "mono and di-glycerides with carageenan", and I never discovered when or where any other food was available. Besides, it was probably, "mystery meat". So I sat and waited, spit out their pills, and plotted my escape. I planned it thus: On the first day of consciousness, I emerged in a wheel chair. On the second day, I showed myself in public using crutches. On the third day, I walked unassisted. I left at 12:01 AM 0n the fourth day. I waited until that hour and minute as a concession to their greed for one more day of billing.

To them, it's all about the money. To me, it's more like P.T.S.D. and I'm incarcerated.
If I can walk and feed myself, I want to leave!!

With neither desire nor intent to confirm or deny speculation as to my 'day job' -- Let's make it this:

1) IMNSHO The described abuses are nothing short of extortion by your healthcare underwriters in collusion with the healthcare facility!

2) The vast majority of providers (i.e. healthcare practitioners) neither advocate, condone, nor profit by such policy Please don't assess the morality of individuals based upon the actions of organizations!

It is, in fact, but one manifestation of a multi-faceted 'perfect storm' of corporate feudalism and 'nanny state' governance -- I don't need to tell you it ain't pretty

Best regards
HP

 

#12 Maybe she's resident of lunatic asylum with internet privileges and she thought you learned her secret!

You really shouldn't rile me like that prior to my AM Meds! -- There are better weekend venues than the isolation room!

It's all fair play with HP and me cuz sometimes she says I'm like a young nurse Ratched

Ya know -- You should actually view the old-time moves to which I make references prior to taking offense! Case in point: Nurse Ratched wasn't actually the villain of the picture -- but, rather, an emotionally strong, soft spoken, intelligent, highly courageous authority figure - Whereas Jack Nicholson's character was a predatory criminal given to violent outbursts -- Seems 1970's audiences preferred psychopaths to legitimate authority? - I guess some things will never change

Best regards
HP

 

I actually have idea, you will never prove me that trophy hunting is right which is the topic I'm generally talking about, you are constantly avoiding it and switching it constantly to hunting for food.

My perspective on trophy hunting is that I don't like trophy hunting if that is all that is happening. But as long as the overwhelming majority of the meat is used and preferably most of the rest of the animal (the hide, etc.) as well, then I don't have a problem with it (as long as it is done legally -- I'm not talking about poaching protected species here). There are hunting guides out here that specialize in having arrangements in place with various places specifically to ensure that most of the animal is utilized regardless of how much or how little the hunters themselves want personally. The meat often gets donated to homeless kitchens and the like.

 

I doubt it takes a great intelligence to hunt with a rifle.

I disagree. Not everyone can replicate this rifle shot ....

Craig Harrison (UK) of the UK’s Household Cavalry killed two Taliban insurgents from a distance of 2,474 m/2.47 km (8,120 ft, or 1.54 miles) in November 2009. It took the 8.59 mm rounds almost three seconds to hit their targets, which were 914 m (3,000 ft) beyond the L115A3 sniper rifle’s recommended range. A third shot took out the insurgent’s machine gun.

It's about placing the round where you want it to go, not "spray and pray" you hit something.

If your hunting deer ...