no.

Assuming you are responding to my question, this I would have to conclude that you think it is "the best bar" as long as it is applied to others and not to you.

 

I doubt there's a single human being in this planet older than 5 years old that would need to be advised against getting close to crocs...

Never be afraid to stand up to your bullies.

 

Please re-read all of my post. It was very clear. This is about procedure....not punishment.

Why would you imply judgment for un-knowns? Where are you pulling this from?

If you think my comment was some kind of personal attack......just delete my post.

The only equal bar there is ... is the perfect bar.

 

Never be afraid to stand up to your bullies.

you mean never be afraid to stand up, and run? ...

 

Please re-read all of my post. It was very clear. This is about procedure....not punishment.

Why would you imply judgment for un-knowns? Where are you pulling this from?

If you think my comment was some kind of personal attack......just delete my post.

The only equal bar there is ... is the perfect bar.

Perhaps you might reread all of my post, as well. I was very clear what I was talking about when I said that it was a horrible bar to set. Namely:

But one thing that gets lost in most of these inquiries is the fact that at the end of the day these "500 core participants" will arrive at a conclusion, after months of testimony and consultation and research and testing, of what was done wrong and then people will demand that those that didn't do it right be held accountable for not doing so. That's a horrible bar to set.

To which you responded that it was the best bar to set because it expects the highest standards and the ability to see the correct future. Since the only bar mentioned was explicitly the bar by which the actions of the person making the decision is judged, how could I interpret the bar you were referring to as pertaining to anything else?

I explicitly addressed the procedures aspect in the very first sentence of my post.

It's completely find (sic) and good to spend months and years looking at all of the details and what could have been done differently and what should be done differently going forward.

What you appeared to be espousing is that the only way we can get good procedures and policy is specifically by holding the person making the call on the spot to a standard that says that they should have done what it subsequently took experts sometimes years to decide was the correct action under those specific circumstances and that it's acceptable to hold them accountable for not doing so. Since, after all, that IS the bar that I said was horrible and that you said was the best bar.

For the record, I certainly don't see anything you've said that I could or would construe as any kind of personal attack. Why would I?

 

you mean never be afraid to stand up, and run? ...

That poor Croc did that for nine years but it only stopped when the Croc clamped down being bullied.

You live by the bark, you die by the bark.

 

And yet every year that are numerous injuries and sometimes deaths associated with people intentionally trying to get near crocs and gators, usually to get that "selfie to die for".

That is why Croc's lurk at the shallow end of the gene Pool.
Max.

 

Evidently they can still get you even if you cut the head off.!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44392861
Max.

 

Evidently they can still get you even if you cut the head off.!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44392861
Max.

My dad grew up on the plains of Colorado in the Dust Bowl and one summer (well, actually one growing season, which is considerably longer) they collected the rattles of all the snakes the five family members killed and after the harvest they counted them and there were over two hundred. They didn't bother to save the rattles from the snakes the dogs killed (and he guessed the dogs killed at least two for every snake one of them got) because there wasn't enough left after the dogs got finished. They were well aware of how dangerous a decapitated head was. In all those years they only lost one dog to a snake -- a young dog that was too eager and went in for the kill too quickly (hadn't pissed the snake off enough yet).

 

That poor Croc did that for nine years but it only stopped when the Croc clamped down being bullied.

You live by the bark, you die by the bark.

And here I am, being confused be

Evidently they can still get you even if you cut the head off.!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44392861
Max.

I hate snakes... and there's plenty enough rattlers (and corals) to share ... we've always known that it takes quite a while for a head to completely die after it's been severed.

 

True... but the again, evil will only endure and multiply if people don't learn how and when to forgive...

I guess there was a follow up.

Dwight Dehmlow, a relative who wouldn't reveal his relationship to Kathleen, Told the Star Tribune that the assertions in the obit were true - but there was plenty missing.
“She made a mistake 60 years ago, but who hasn’t?” he said. “Has she regretted it over the years? Yes.”

Max.

 

“She made a mistake 60 years ago, but who hasn’t?” he said. “Has she regretted it over the years? Yes.”

finally ... a little mercy from a third party ... may she rest in peace ...

 

This is why you have to keep your eye on little people. Kids are sneaky. Always use metal cuffs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3787214/How-child-escape-cable-ties-sixty-seconds.html

Has anyone here actually verified that this works. It might, but I'm not going to assume it will. That's especially true for the other technique they claim works. Anything and everything works on YouTube. If I get a chance I might to a test to see.

 

What a sad way to say goodbye to someone:

Definitely a case where if you can't say something nice, then just don't say anything. How can they claim that their venting did anyone (other than their own vindictive personality) any good.

 

Definitely a case where if you can't say something nice, then just don't say anything. How can they claim that their venting did anyone (other than their own vindictive personality) any good.

My thought exactly, speaking ill about your own parents (even if what you say is true) only speaks ill of yourself.

 

My thought exactly, speaking ill about your own parents (even if what you say is true) only speaks ill of yourself.

Perhaps apples don’t fall so far from the tree. Or put another way, “spot it, got it”.

 

My thought exactly, speaking ill about your own parents (even if what you say is true) only speaks ill of yourself.

I disagree. I believe in calling a spade a spade. Justice is for everyone. Even parents who don't take their responsibilities seriously -- and their damaged kids.

But I guess I'm just speaking ill of myself.

 

I disagree. I believe in calling a spade a spade. Justice is for everyone. Even parents who don't take their responsibilities seriously -- and their damaged kids.

But I guess I'm just speaking ill of myself.

I don't know what kind of parents you were luck enough to have, Joey. (I sincerely hope they were good parents). And I agree about calling spades spades. But there are also times in which one is better off by not saying anything. Of course, maybe sometimes saying the plain ugly truth is necessary, either as a warning or as a lesson to be learned by others. But like Bahn's just said, venting just for the sake of satisfying a vindictive desire can never be good.... just my opinion

 

venting just for the sake of satisfying a vindictive desire can never be good.

Why assume it was vindictive? How about just an expression of a lifetime of pent-up anger?

Sometimes, shouting at the world is cathartic and healing.

Edit: and, their mom is a carcass. She is not harmed by it.

 

Edit: and, their mom is a carcass. She is not harmed by it.

True ... but I think that they themselves end up being harmed by their own words ... I agree, anger can become pent-up, and needs an outlet. But in cases like this, I seriously doubt there'll be any healing. That anger is going to stay there, and fester and thrive ... and will be back to erupt its ugly fumes in explosive outbursts every once in a while for the rest of their lives ... the one and only sure way anyone can get any healing at all is through forgiveness .. but again, that's only my view.