AMPLIFIER DC POWER SUPPLY PROBLEM

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Jhon Paul Jaspe

Joined May 13, 2017
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I have finished this 60 watt amplifier. It needs 50 V and - 50 V to operate. I created a power supply that has 50 V and -50 V using zeners. Refer to pic. Seperately, they are working as they should. But when i connect them, i don't know anymore. Please help!!! How can I solve this??? Any help would be much appreciated. 1st pic = Working 60 watt amplifier to 8 ohm load. 2nd pic = working DC supply with 50 V and - 50V. 3rd pic = connected together and BOOM! it's broken.60 Watt Amplifier.png Power Supply.png Problem.png
 

Kermit2

Joined Feb 5, 2010
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I'm having trouble understanding the schematic.
Do you really have 2,500 ohms in series with your Power supply output?
That protects the zener diode, but how will the amp get any power from the supply?

Use ohms law and calculate how many MILLI amps can be drawn from a 2.5kohm resistor with 50 volts source
 

AlbertHall

Joined Jun 4, 2014
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Some rough numbers here: 60W from a 100V supply (about 50% efficiency) implies about 1A needed from the supply.
Your supply has 2 x 2.5k resistors in series. Maximum current 50V / 2.5k = 20mA. Your supply can't provide anywhere near enough current for the amplifier.
 

R!f@@

Joined Apr 2, 2009
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That PSU cannot run an Amp.
You need to to power the amp right from the PSU capacitors.
You need proper transformer secondary rating to get ±50VDC
You need a Tx of 36 - 0 - 36 VAC Secondary voltage with appropriate current rating.
 

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Jhon Paul Jaspe

Joined May 13, 2017
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I forgot wrong pic for the supply. I got the 2.5k value using a voltage divider. I also have 5 k ohm resistor in parallel with the zener. i got the values so that the voltage across the 5k resistor is about 51 V or so then its parallel with the zener.SASASASASASASA.png
 

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Jhon Paul Jaspe

Joined May 13, 2017
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That PSU cannot run an Amp.
You need to to power the amp right from the PSU capacitors.
You need proper transformer secondary rating to get ±50VDC
You need a Tx of 36 - 0 - 36 VAC Secondary voltage with appropriate current rating.
So, i should remove the zeners, inductors and resistors. Then the output would come directly from the capacitors? What would the current rating of the transformer be?
 

Kermit2

Joined Feb 5, 2010
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Your zener could be utilized by a comparator circuit that monitors the amp voltage rails. You could use it to cut the preamp gain to prevent voltage sag at high volumes. Otherwise what are you using it for?
 

Kermit2

Joined Feb 5, 2010
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What is your designed power limit for the amp?
The transformer should have a bare minimum of 10% more VA rating. Preferably 25% more.
 

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Jhon Paul Jaspe

Joined May 13, 2017
23
Your zener could be utilized by a comparator circuit that monitors the amp voltage rails. You could use it to cut the preamp gain to prevent voltage sag at high volumes. Otherwise what are you using it for?
I thought it was needed, because from our dc supply project in the past we used zeners.
 

R!f@@

Joined Apr 2, 2009
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You could use a zener regulator but you should have high current regulators like in series regulators.
But this method is for those who want very strict regulation. And normally you don't need it.
 

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Jhon Paul Jaspe

Joined May 13, 2017
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What is your designed power limit for the amp?
The transformer should have a bare minimum of 10% more VA rating. Preferably 25% more.
the limit is 60 watt for the amp. what do you mean by the transformer should have bare minimum 10% VA rating? i don't understand
 

R!f@@

Joined Apr 2, 2009
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the limit is 60 watt for the amp. what do you mean by the transformer should have bare minimum 10% VA rating? i don't understand
It means the tx should be rated 10% more than the power you need.
Like if you need 60W, it should rated like 66W.
Typically for a 60W amp a transformer of around 120VA is suitable for stereo amplifier operation
 

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Jhon Paul Jaspe

Joined May 13, 2017
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Thanks for the help, i really appreciate it, i will try the approaches you mentioned, but for now i'll sleep. i'll update again once i do something new. thank you
 

R!f@@

Joined Apr 2, 2009
10,004
For stereo operation you would need a Tx of 35-0-35 VAC @ 3 Amps
You can drive a stereo one at ±50VDC all day long
 
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