ambient temperature problem

Thread Starter

hhsting

Joined Apr 25, 2024
395
Hi,

Oh sorry to hear that. Are you in the USA or no?

The first thing that comes to mind since the range of resistance is so large, is to couple an LDR with an LED, making the LED light temperature sensitive with a sensor. You can get a wide variation in resistance with an LDR (Light Dependent Resistor) so the main chore would be to get the LED light output to vary with temperature enough to drive the LDR in the intended fashion. Perhaps using a thermistor or temperature sensor with analog output to drive the LED perhaps with an added op amp.

Did you really mean 1500k Ohms or did you mean 1.5k (1500 Ohms). 1500k Ohms is really the same as 1.5 Megohms which is quite high.
sorry I mean 1.5K ohms. In USA
 

Thread Starter

hhsting

Joined Apr 25, 2024
395
Oh ok, just wanted to be sure. That would be a little easier then. Getting to a perfect 0 Ohms would require a little more thought though. Getting to 10 Ohms would be more practical.
Close to 0 ohms but 10 ohms is too sensitive.
 

Danko

Joined Nov 22, 2017
2,169
Great thanks. Whats the reason to connect R3 to collector of Q6 and Q7? Why not connect R3 directly to +13V power supply?
You are designer of this device. I am helper only.
You can connect R3 to any node of circuit, you want.
For me, it is better to connect R3 to collector of Q6 and Q7,
because overall deviation of LED current in this case is only 2 mA (99.8-97.8).
When R3 is connected to +13 of V1, overall deviation is 4.3 mA (98.1-93.8).
 

Thread Starter

hhsting

Joined Apr 25, 2024
395
You are designer of this device. I am helper only.
You can connect R3 to any node of circuit, you want.
For me, it is better to connect R3 to collector of Q6 and Q7,
because overall deviation of LED current in this case is only 2 mA (99.8-97.8).
When R3 is connected to +13 of V1, overall deviation is 4.3 mA (98.1-93.8).
Where can you purchase for cheap these two parts that you show in your circuit that matches what you model in circuit: Mbrd340t4 and TL431AB?
 

Danko

Joined Nov 22, 2017
2,169
Where can you purchase for cheap these two parts that you show in your circuit that matches what you model in circuit: Mbrd340t4 and TL431AB?
T L431 50 pcs/lot, price $0.99/lot, free shipping.

I do not recommend to fabricate circuit with Schottky diode - that circuit is good for demonstration only.

1763870876805.png

ADDED:
You mean the real schoktty diodes wont behave like one jn simulation? I was leaning towards schkotty diodes circuit?
Yes, it will not work as in simulation, because it depends on Vbe of Q2, Bf of Q2, Vf of D1.
 
Last edited:

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
13,705
You have TL431AB LTSpice model? I dont have it.
Hi,

There is also a behavioral model that allows you to understand the operation intuitively if you are interested. The operation of this device is very simple. It's basically a low power shunt voltage regulator.
 

Danko

Joined Nov 22, 2017
2,169
It works great for constant dc supply of 12.5vdc. However when I switch from 9V to 4V it gives lower than 100mA???
Your circuit works exactly as you design it.
If do not like, redesign circuit for your needs.
Or use circuit from post #20.

ADDED:
Ok i was just trying to improvise some things diode can give constant volt as well.
I have no idea how you come up with 27.5k value wither.
Instead of U1 can I get schoktty diode connect it across r8 and change resistance to get 100mA?
Will that work for all the voltages shown in post #20 snapshot?
No. It will not work at all.

Did you already spend $1 for 50 pieces TL431?
Offer ends Dec 4:

1764714806554.png
 
Last edited:

Thread Starter

hhsting

Joined Apr 25, 2024
395
Your circuit works exactly as you design it.
If do not like, redesign circuit for your needs.
Or use circuit from post #20.
Ok i was just trying to improvise some things diode can give constant volt as well. I have no idea how you come up with 27.5k value wither. Instead of U1 can I get schoktty diode connect it across r8 and change resistance to get 100mA? Will that work for all the voltages shown in post #20 snapshot?
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
13,705
I am just curious why wouldn't 100mA flow thru D5, Q5 in this scenario below circuit? Attached is the .asc.

View attachment 359856
You have to show some measurements like what is the collector current for Q4.
If Q4 is turned 'on', it will shunt most of the current from R3 to ground and so Q5 will always be turned 'off'.
You also have to show the power supply source that connects to R3 and D5.

What is that current source B1 doing. It's only function would be to pump current through V2 in that circuit.
 
Top