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If you're asking for profession advice on a possible patent then don't we deserve a cut? Times are hard and money's losing value.
Wouldn't me sharing $$$ with you NOT even be possible if we lose future patent rights because I uploaded design here-now?
 

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Its a simple enough geometry, I think it'll work.
I've no idea if prior-art exists, me personally not yet scoured ALL industry variations to find out."

I'm simply trying my best to clearly state my query the technically correct way;

thus asking a simple question.; thats all.
>" does left-to-right passing a magnet perpendicular past a parallel wire induce it?"
>"Device-equiv = left-right, then left-right with magnets poles-flipped, then flip-poles & left-right, again......
continuously........"
 

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>"left-to-right flipped"
> "Device-equiv =".................
>continuously
left-to-right flipped continuously obviously means its a rotary 360 clockwise turning alternate N-S magnet pairs.
Why would there be only 1 magnet in use?
*sorry for bothering
 

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Investigating alternate stator/rotor geometries.
This arrangement will work:
Passing a magnet perpendicular past a parallel wire...
Lots of series N-S induced voltages half the time,
lots of series S-N induced voltages the other half..
View attachment Le gen meme.jpg
In direct comparison, this arrangement produces lower voltage + higher current.
Increasing number of magnet arc poles increases voltage at the expense of current.
Its already being surpassed by a superior alternate.

its illustrative purposes only,...
it conveys circuit model configuration.
its not in inventor3D-CAD, yet.
none of it is.
"its just a pencil-doodle"
...its already outdated.
 

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In direct comparison, this arrangement produces lower voltage + higher current.
Increasing number of magnet arc poles increases voltage at the expense of current.
Its already being surpassed by a superior alternate.
Again you need to do more research. Your "le gen meme" has many holes in it on how things work. Your "industry norm" is only true in your mind. Your "toroid" as being the thumbs up is the winding you show as industry norm. That isn't how any industry norm alternator of generator works. A toroid winding only sees the wire in the center of the core/winding so that means any of the wires on the outside of the center, both side and the outside is a waste of wire and less that gets to generate.

Why do you think using Halbach arrays is going to do any thing? AC is a reversing of the N and S poles in the alternator. Your Halbach's will only look electrically as a space in those poles, and using just no magnet in place of a Halbach is easier and less expensive.


The same is true for your, "Increasing number of magnet arc poles increases voltage at the expense of current." Electrical generation doesn't work like that. Increasing the number of magnetic poles on increases the AC frequency at a given RPM. Voltage is due to the number of wire coils in the stator. Current/Amperage is increased by increasing the diameter of the wire in those coils.
 

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Again you need to do more research. Your "le gen meme" has many holes in it on how things work. Your "industry norm" is only true in your mind. Your "toroid" as being the thumbs up is the winding you show as industry norm. That isn't how any industry norm alternator of generator works. A toroid winding only sees the wire in the center of the core/winding so that means any of the wires on the outside of the center, both side and the outside is a waste of wire and less that gets to generate.

Why do you think using Halbach arrays is going to do any thing? AC is a reversing of the N and S poles in the alternator. Your Halbach's will only look electrically as a space in those poles, and using just no magnet in place of a Halbach is easier and less expensive.

The same is true for your, "Increasing number of magnet arc poles increases voltage at the expense of current." Electrical generation doesn't work like that. Increasing the number of magnetic poles on increases the AC frequency at a given RPM. Voltage is due to the number of wire coils in the stator. Current/Amperage is increased by increasing the diameter of the wire in those coils.
>>Your "toroid" as being the thumbs up is the winding you show as industry norm<<
>>Your "toroid" as being the thumbs up is the winding you show as industry norm<<

no, industry norm induces both N & S per wire-lop, then switches to both S & N per every wire-loop.
This design induces N-POLE over a number of loops in series aiding with a number of loops of S-POLE....... alternating N-loops then S-loops around its circumference......
Then "instantly" switches loops of S-POLES in series aiding with loops of N-POLES.
This is why its lower voltage.

Magnetic induction of voltage upon wire segment happens at a calculatable rate...
IF other better magnet field convergence positioned wire-segments hit the motherload, then don't think yourself a waist of time, Shortbus.
OPTMISED geometry would probably favor a longer, not fatter design with longer wire segments at the coil's core....
It was just a pencil-doodle to show circuit, Shotbus.
The current pencil-doodle keeps the coil in place while getting the shafts rotation to the external right side of the device's outside for an axial-fan & adds a new Halbach array inside the toroid-ring coil in phase with the other magnet-arrays.

current doodle.jpg

Passing a magnet perpendicular past a parallel wire...
The entire winding is lots of series N-S induced voltages half the time,
THEN "instantly" the entire winding is lots of series S-N induced voltages the other half..
Switches 6 times per rotation.
[6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26 pole rotary, so AC-OUT at 180-opposite coil rotation is also exactly opposite pole... to make it easier]

not all those series voltages are the same magnitude, they only need to be series aiding to work.
EMF exists between the 1st & last winding.
Look where the in-out is with respect to each other.
AC-OUT is lots of series aiding N-S induced voltages THEN "instantly" lots of series aiding S-N induced voltages...
One THEN the other...

EMF flows, Shortbus.
Its an EMF circuit.
 
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A toroid winding only sees the wire in the center of the core/winding so that means any of the wires on the outside of the center, both side and the outside is a waste of wire and less that gets to generate.
Multiple winding layers can be used on toroid inductors but it isn't done because extra parasitic capacitance between layers greatly reduces impedance for high frequencies.

My coil isn't an inductor filter & the frequency of AC-out isn't even very high.
Toroid inductor.jpeg
 

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like neither of those?
What is it?
Can you show me a pic of it?
No, not like anything you have proposed. The toroid scheme wastes all of the wire that isn't in the middle of the core. Alternators are similar to induction motors in the stator winding, they are a distributed or sometimes called wave winding pattern. https://www.electrical4u.com/armature-winding-of-alternator/ There is so much information on all types of alternators online now that if you would spend some time looking at what and how they work, instead of going of on tangents that make no sense you could have made one by now.

Another tidbit for you, the magnets have to be an odd number. Think about it, and you may see why.
 

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Multiple winding layers can be used on toroid inductors but it isn't done because extra parasitic capacitance between layers greatly reduces impedance for high frequencies.

My coil isn't an inductor filter & the frequency of AC-out isn't even very high.
View attachment 271304
Your now going to make inductors instead of an alternator. They are only the same being they both have a magnetic core and are wound with wire.
 

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Your now going to make inductors instead of an alternator. They are only the same being they both have a magnetic core and are wound with wire.
And Both can have multiple wire-turn layers.
my original "Alternator alternate" heading meant I was pondering something that "wasn't" an alternator....
As in, alternate design.
 

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And Both can have multiple wire-turn layers.
my original "Alternator alternate" heading meant I was pondering something that "wasn't" an alternator....
As in, alternate design.
You keep making me believe. I believe one of a few things: 1. you are somewhere around 10 years old. 2. you are just a troll. 3. you are some sort of AI bot.
 

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You keep making me believe. I believe one of a few things: 1. you are somewhere around 10 years old. 2. you are just a troll. 3. you are some sort of AI bot.
Everything you know involves both wasting 50% of space on all stators, and generating power for a fraction of a split-second every time your retarded magnets line up with your windings...
Congrats on your brilliance Mz intermittent.

You literally swallow a camel and squeeze out a Gnat.

The closest that exists to what I want is a Brushless Alternator..
I can re-design it to work on a continuous duty-cycle of generating instead of just a split second, a few times per pole rotation...
But, brushless Alternators initially require a battery to supply the exciter electromagnets..

I want something that can sit in the drawer for 5 years then be whipped out and used without needing to charge its battery first.
I'm doodling a design that has "some" permanent magnets in the exciter-stator.

You on the other hand, only exist to cumsooooooom the same ol same ol rubbish.
You're as pointless as youtube.
"Peddler of Product"

boring as shit
 
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I'm doodling a design that has "some" permanent magnets in the exciter-stator.
Again you don't know what your talking about. Motorcycles have used permanent magnet(brushless?) alternators for many decades. The reason for the brushes and slip rings in most other(car) alternators is for output regulation.
 
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The toroid scheme wastes all of the wire that isn't in the middle of the core.
Sued error based on the resulting toroid magnetic field you were taught in kindergarten class;
and NOT the field resulting from using my device.
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