He asserted that GM made him give up 9 days of pay. You know damn well the union was involved and agreed, willingly or not, to accept that. His representatives agreed to it. I doubt he complained about the union agreeing to such a thing as his main focus was on management or actively work for electing new union leadership.

If my union accepted a deal of me working 9-days with no pay and GM management did not suffer, I would complain. A deal like that is BS and someone is getting paid under the table (union leaders). How can you make the assumption that someone would happily accept a bad deal if their organization accepted it? That is stupid. Only lemmings act that way. Only idiots think that way. Oh, what am I saying.

Mark Twain was apparently right.

 

JJ you sure miss the military don't you. Having people of lower rank that have to do what you tell them. I'm not in your 'platoon' or what ever it is that the edge of the sea navy calls it. If I'm so stupid, as you believe, why do you even answer what I post? I can't even understand where you get I was bitter?? Just telling the story of one of my life experiences, would you have liked it better if I worked on a ship?

 

@shortbus. Nope I don't miss the military. I only placed one person on report in 22 years.

Orders must be lawful for one to follow them. I had NJP authority, as Officer in Charge, but never exercised it in the course of my duties.

 

@shortbus. Nope I don't miss the military. I only placed one person on report in 22 years.

Orders must be lawful for one to follow them. I had NJP authority, as Officer in Charge, but never exercised it in the course of my duties.

Orders must also come from a competent person.

 

Is this problem: Sometimes the discussion is divided into two separate discussions. Totally different. It is very good to talk in any direction that user want.
But discussions become hard to separate.

Complaining about what others have done to you is a sign of potentially hazardous thought patterns, of blaming others for every obstacle in life. Imagine that I am a prospective employer reading your posts. From what you have described so far, and especially the ways you have described events, would make me extremely unlikely to risk hiring you. I've worked with people that had similar defensive attitudes and, given the choice, would not have them around.

Exactly.

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I had NJP authority, as Officer in Charge, but never exercised it in the course of my duties.

This explains why you always, always take the side of management/authority in ANY discussion on the forum. Like I said earlier, you guys have each others back.

 

This explains why you always, always take the side of management/authority in ANY discussion on the forum. Like I said earlier, you guys have each others back.

You don't know whose side I was on. Your assumptions makes an ass out of you. By your assumption, the senior E4 in charge of a detail of E4s is management. Yet, I know that senority amoungst E4s is like virginity amoungst trollops.

 

You don't know whose side I was on.

Then that makes two of you.

 

I like how you argue with each other on this forum. Polite.

 

You don't know whose side I was on.

You don't know what side I'm on either. To get what you did out of my earlier post is just as bad or worse than me making assumptions. But in my defense, I have read your statements before, like in the 'cop' thread, and others, that is what i base my assumptions on, past statements. Nothing more nothing less. Have never seen you take any side but the management/authority side.

 

Have never seen you take any side but the management/authority side.

Yeah, I got the authority side from my belief in the Constitution of the United States, the U.S. Code, the Code of Federal Regulations, and understanding the origins of this country.

Your position in another thread about bartering tells the tale of your belief in skirting the law.

In some ways the members here are under the Code of Federal Regulations by another name in their home country. We never call them by their true name, just the FCC regulations. Every country has something similar, else the spectrum would be a mess.

I can leave our two beliefs as they stand.

You will never know the times I stood up for my charges. They don't know of some of those times, but the ones they do know about, developed a trait called loyalty. I taught my charges to do the right thing, and I will always have their back. If that is a trait of management, then I am management. I was never shy about taking my anchors out for a spin.

 

Yeah, I got the authority side from my belief in the Constitution of the United States, the U.S. Code, the Code of Federal Regulations, and understanding the origins of this country.

And I got my position from watching those in power skirt all the same things when it was convenient for them. Either to get "ahead" in their careers or to get more money. But then they don't call themselves 'outlaws' because they know they won't ever be held accountable for their actions. But I do consider myself a "scofflaw".

 

And I got my position from watching those in power skirt all the same things when it was convenient for them.

I see that all the time with all stripes of the political animals. I would never use them as a standard.

I've seen some promote on the backs of their charges without spreading the accolades around. In my opine, my charges were my replacement. At my rate, I considered a large part of the job as teaching junior officer and junior enlisted their jobs as it pertained to the unit's mission. I've planted many seeds into the minds of those senior to watch them germinate.

Some is never all. I agree some will do anything and skirt everything to further their agenda in all aspects of life. Only today, we don't use the word agenda ... it's the narrative.

 

I've seen some promote on the backs of their charges without spreading the accolades around.

That's really a damn shame too. I guess I was fortunate during my Marine Corps years and subsequent DoD and DoE years I had the opportunity to work with some really great people. While I have heard the horror stories I never saw it first hand. Then too, I know it exist. Placing beanies and weenies on the table was always a priority but I never would have taken credit for another's work. Never really had anyone toss me under the bus either. I guess I was fortunate.

Anyway what About The Money?

Ron

 

Is this problem: Sometimes the discussion is divided into two separate discussions. Totally different. It is very good to talk in any direction that user want.
But discussions become hard to separate.


Exactly.

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This is the problem. The person who makes me trouble he can tell if I do not want to tell.

It does not take long for me to search the Internet and make a phone call.

At the last job we were informed that our names will appear on the Internet and the hours we'll be there.