Is that what it's like to have a "smart" phone?

No, it's on my laptop. I could probably get rid of it.

I sure know what you mean about ladder work. I cleaned algae off an outdoor siding wall and had to use my pressure washer while 15' in the air. The next day, my calves were killing me.

 

All man A/C!

Guess cry baby victim in video forgot to count HP, me and abt 15% of women I know (which, btw, is same as percentage of guys I know who like cold indoor air too) cuz HPs house is like walk in beer cooler all year around and a lot of ppl like it! Now being totally honest most ppl don't like indoor temps below 55°F but it's definitely not along gender lines! So fwiw ppl from hot climates can't take it which is what you'd expect but it's also true and totally weird that more thin ppl like cold air then heavy ppl which totally surprises me! So HP and I are like _svelte_ but not total anorexic beanpoles so btw emaciated ppl can't take cold either!

So anyhow video is just more _us and them_ BS so weak minded, childlike malcontents can wallow in faux victimhood instead of taking responsibility for their lives and even just ownership of their personal preferences! They don't like A/C so instead of asserting their minority preference they have to create fantasy of 50% of population agreeing with them (cuz individuality is way too lonely and scary) and it being their native physiology (cuz just personal preference and choice is way too vulnerable a position to defend) So I have a totally better word for ppl like that but I won't go there cuz AAC is family friendly site!

 

I was the only one left to explain to the new electrician why there was an unconnected thermostat. Once I explained, he wasn't even a little surprised.

The first chapter in one of my books says, "A person who believes they are uncomfortable is just as uncomfortable as if they were uncomfortable." Then it follows with a story about an uncomfortable man. The A/C guy placed 3 calibrated thermometers on his desk. When he saw the real temperature, he threw his fancy desk ornament in the trash can. He was suffering from some form of placebo effect.

Giving the females a non-functional thermostat might have produced a placebo effect or it might have placated their need to feel some control over their lives. Probably some of each with differing amounts for each person. The important part is that, "comfort" is partly psychological. The psychological component can not be dismissed, especially in a situation with a lot of people and no particular, "leader" or, "authority figure". If some higher up in the company doesn't issue an authoritarian command, the local social structure comes into play, and it can be impossible to satisfy everyone. I applaud the fake thermostat. It achieved, "comfort" for more people than good air conditioning could do alone.

ps, My legs hurt a lot less today. Tomorrow will probably be business as usual.

 

Now being totally honest most ppl don't like indoor temps below 55°F but it's definitely not along gender lines! So fwiw ppl from hot climates can't take it which is what you'd expect but it's also true and totally weird that more thin ppl like cold air then heavy ppl which totally surprises me! So HP and I are like _svelte_ but not total anorexic beanpoles so btw emaciated ppl can't take cold either!

--Emphasis Added--

IIRC there was a study (some years ago) with the finding that obesity is not uncommonly marked by intolerance of ambient temperature extremes both 'sides' of the so called 'comfort zone' -- So...Your observation is neither so 'profound' nor 'paradoxical' as you seem to believe -- To wit: bad habits tend to be bad all around!

"comfort" is partly psychological.

Undeniably! - 'tho it has been my observation (FWIW) that acclimatization is the principal 'factor' as regards comfort -in most areas- but most especially ambient temperature...

I, for instance, am acquainted with a couple (whom having been raised in MN) now regard 75F as 'chilly' - following a ten year stint in Jamaica - It is my understanding that even such extreme acclimatization is not anomalous...

ps, My legs hurt a lot less today. Tomorrow will probably be business as usual.

Well hey! @#12 Please catch us up! --- 'off-line life' has been keeping me too busy for significant 'on-line' activity as of late

Pleased to learn all is well with you!

Very best regards
HP

 

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Giving the females a non-functional thermostat might have produced a placebo effect or it might have placated their need to feel some control over their lives. Probably some of each with differing amounts for each person. The important part is that, "comfort" is partly psychological. The psychological component can not be dismissed, especially in a situation with a lot of people and no particular, "leader" or, "authority figure". If some higher up in the company doesn't issue an authoritarian command, the local social structure comes into play, and it can be impossible to satisfy everyone. I applaud the fake thermostat. It achieved, "comfort" for more people than good air conditioning could do alone.

l.[/QUOTE]

I used to work at a Carrier Air Conditioning plant as a maint tech. The plant was huge , 1 million sq. ft., and air conditioned. Of course some areas were cooler than others. The wire dept., where control boxes were wired up, was 95% female. And they knew that the louvers in the A/C trunk line were directional, and they all wanted them pointing at them. Impossible of course, but the maint supv had a brilliant idea. He had us cut up some huge trash bags into inch wide strips, some short, some long.
He then had us tie the strips to the louvers while the people were on their lunch break. Brilliant !! no matter where you were in that dept at least one strip looked like it was waving right at you int he air flow. The long strips were heavier and therefore pointed more to the area below the duct giving the impression that air was flowing nearly straight down.
They worked so well we named them after the supervisor, Anderson Streamers, before long they were in several locations around the plant and everyone was happy.

 

My mother worked in the Monsanto chemical labs in East St. Louis during WWII, and it was hot. Summer in St. Louis is bad enough. But they were in a factory and they used hot sand 'baths' the way we use circulating water or oil baths today. She told how the ether would boil in the bottles on the shelf. It was hot!

The workers complained and the engineers installed fans blowing the hot air out of the lab windows. As soon as they left, the workers would turn the fans around to blow on them. The engineers would return and turn the fans back around.

I've long wondered which is more effective. Removing BTUs from the lab is probably better with the fans pointing outward. But the "feels like" temperature experienced by the workers is likely better with air forced over their skin.

 

I think you're right. All of the photos in this ad have a tennis ball in their shorts.

What ads are you looking at? The ones I saw looked like normal underwear me except for the unusually high waistbands.

 

2. In my office, the women were always complaining about the temperature so our electrical guy installed a thermostat on the central post. The women were thrilled and the complaining stopped. Thing is, the thermostat didn't do anything! So it wasn't about the temperature, it was about the perception of having control. Decades later when the office was being rebuilt, I was the only one left to explain to the new electrician why there was an unconnected thermostat. Once I explained, he wasn't even a little surprised.

I went through that with my Ex before we were done. Worst part is I let her have full control of the house thermostat but I expected her to actually walk the 20 teet to the thermostat in the always to adjust it herself.

Fortunately for me, the house pretty much stayed the temperature I set it for since walking that far and having to actually decide on which one of two buttons she had to press a few times to alleviate her supposed thermal discomfort was too much ask for.

 

Well hey! @#12 Please catch us up!

Plasma ball took out the control board and part of the wiring harness. Had to stand on a ladder for hours re-building the controls of the A/C. Legs went all owie for a couple of days. The information was presented, but pretty much, "between the lines" so you'd have to be paying strict attention to pick up the clues.

I've long wondered which is more effective.

One of the principles of car air conditioning is, "You don't cool the interior, you cool the occupants." There is just too much insolation (yes, I spelled that correctly) changing every time the car turns, to make a fixed A/C response work properly. Humans are water cooled, and they bring their own water. Blow the air on the humans and you get a lot more cooling effect from breaking their stagnant surface layer (of air) than you get by changing the gross air mass in the building. The Monsanto engineers should have read the local enthalpy meters (humans) and realized which theory of climate control was effective. But then, just being an engineer doesn't mean you know the best solution for everything. You might know the best solution for your field of expertise, but nobody can know it all. A/C is my day job and I can run circles around most engineers who never thought about the many aspects, including physiologic and psychological.

The ones I saw looked like normal underwear (to) me

No bragging about your equipment. If you were telling the truth your wife wouldn't have been so dissatisfied.
(Oh Gawd, I crack myself up!)

 

If you were telling the truth your wife wouldn't have been so dissatisfied.

That was one of the few things she never had an issue with me over, ever.

She nitpicked every point of my existence but the sex life. If anything I was the one who had minor complaints about it. (utter lack of energy on her part being about it)

 

One of the principles of car air conditioning is, "You don't cool the interior, you cool the occupants."

While I see your point, every modern A/C works by removing heat from the interior and rejecting outdoors, exactly what those Monsanto engineers were trying to accomplish. The solution, of course, was to add a fan to circulate the indoor air in addition to the fans blowing out hot air.

 

While I see your point, every modern A/C works by removing heat from the interior and rejecting outdoors, exactly what those Monsanto engineers were trying to accomplish. The solution, of course, was to add a fan to circulate the indoor air in addition to the fans blowing out hot air.

True. Where exactly to place the cooler air (with or without velocity) is the question here. In the Monsanto case, there was no, "air conditioning". There was merely an exchange with outdoor air. This might be interpreted as an ineffective attempt to simulate air conditioning. This was insufficient for comfort and the local population discerned the correct solution for the limited effectiveness of the equipment available. If real air conditioning had been provided (and the general temperature and humidity had been in a comfortable range) the entire process of discovering how best to use fans would not have happened.

I'm trying to make you aware of the difference between actually controlling temperature and humidity (real air conditioning) and some half-fast attempt to compensate when real air conditioning is not available. To a person in the business, this is a black and white decision. Only an amateur would pretend it's a shade of gray. Climate control has well defined parameters which a window fan has never dreamed of.

ps, I think I could elaborate on the car case. At night, the varying effect of sunlight is absent, therefore, cooling the space is effective. In the daytime, occupants will instinctively move the vents to blow on their persons.

 

I'm trying to make you aware of the difference between actually controlling temperature and humidity (real air conditioning) and some half-fast attempt to compensate when real air conditioning is not available. To a person in the business, this is a black and white decision. Only an amateur would pretend it's a shade of gray. Climate control has well defined parameters which a window fan has never dreamed of.

'Swamp cooler' Vs real air conditioning. Teh both work in certain conditions but one works way better and in a lot larger range of conditions.

 

(utter lack of energy on her part being about it)

I agree that a spectator makes a miserable sex partner.

'Swamp cooler' Vs real air conditioning. Teh (They) both work in certain conditions but one works way better and in a lot larger range of conditions.

Do you have a point to make?
1) Swamp Coolers are, "real air conditioners" in certain applications?
2) You are an amateur (with no quantification to present)?
3) You just enjoy being argumentative (contrary)?
4) Late September is the beginning of the boring season (cloudy, rainy, and below 50F at night) in North Dakota?

 

Plasma ball took out the control board and part of the wiring harness.

--Emphasis Added--

As in 'conventional' arc-flash -or- 'ball lightning'?

Had to stand on a ladder for hours re-building the controls of the A/C. Legs went all owie for a couple of days.

I hear that! -- And under 'full-press' of Florida sunshine!

Best regards
HP

 

Do you have a point to make?
1) Swamp Coolers are, "real air conditioners" in certain applications?
2) You are an amateur (with no quantification to present)?
3) You just enjoy being argumentative (contrary)?
4) Late September is the beginning of the boring season (cloudy, rainy, and below 50F at night) in North Dakota?

1. I am agreeing with you. Not sparing for a debate. Swamp coolers work for cooling someone off to a limited degree in specific applications. Realy poor man's air conditioning compared to real heat pump based air conditioning given a swamp cooler tends to run the cooled environment at near 100% humidity levels while still relying on evaporative cooling of the person in the environment through high volume air movement.

2. Amatuer and quaificatons in what? Aircondtioning and heat pumps? If so I have been working with them since I was in my teens some 25+ years ago and have done many installs plus service work (fixed way too many systems some supposed 'credentialed/qualified HVAC tech screwed up) and even built a number of custom systems and have worked with a multitude of different applications from mobile to residential to light commercial. Also have experimented with non conventional refrigerant and system design as well. Or if you are referring to qualifications by what pieces of paper I have (credentialed/indoctrinated) Never needed them thanks the multitude of loopholes in the systems plus the goold old fashioned dont ask dont tell neighbor helping neighbor system that the loopholes don't cover.

3. No arguments as I stated earlier. You're reading too much into too little for all the wrong reasons. When It comes to your HVAC knowledge I am on your side. Not against you.

4. See point 3 and I have plenty to do to keep me busy as I care to be at any temperature and weather. That, and I can multitask my time as well. I did mention in another thread that I am setting up a better laptop to use in my work shed so I can run my bigger spare monitor out there without video related issues which means I can be online at any time I am out there doing anything now. (listening to one of Scott Adams periscope talks in the background on YouTube right now while looking up parts for another project, for example.)

So yes, I don't know everything there is to know about heat pump systems but I can say I am a bit above the average nobody in my general knowledge and equipment collection plus experiences to work with such things. Or at least given my life experiences I am a bit more knowledgeable and capable than too many HVAC techs who are out there now, which rather bothers me (and should you) by that personal standard of comparison.

Good enough explanations for you?

 

a spectator makes a miserable sex partner.

Hey @#12 -- I'll leave that out of context just for the 'cussedness' of it

TTFN
HP

 

Hi,

Just to note about what was said earlier.
NOAA has some good data on storms. The predictions of the storm likely paths turn out pretty close.
They show Maria out to sea off the east coast of Florida this time, and now heading north. You guys got lucky this time but unfortunately Puerto Rico was devastated.

 

As in 'conventional' arc-flash -or- 'ball lightning'?

Some difficult to describe over-voltage arrived some 10 hours after the hurricane was over and power restored (about 7 days later). The A/C was running when I went to sleep, and some time during the night, POOF! (see photos in this Thread) All was encased in proper metal enclosure, so I have to say, arc-flash. Fairly amazing to me to see a hole that looks like a plasma torch went through the PC board. And I have a, "whole house" surge protector! I suspect it died trying to protect my circuit board.

I hear that! -- And under 'full-press' of Florida sunshine!

No, my A/C air handler is in the attic. No sunshine, but a typical ambient temperature over 100F. I estimate 115F on that day, but I have measured Florida attics at 125F. That's why we procrastinate heavily on attic jobs in the summer! Attic installs have been illegal for some 20 or 30 years due to being inaccessible, for most practical purposes, for half the year. My air handler is, "grandfathered", but almost all duct work is still installed in attics and avoided, if possible, for half the year. Typical human limit for 125F is 20 to 40 minutes, depending on age and previous exposure to near heat stroke conditions. I could survive for 40 minutes when aged 30 to 40. Now, brain fog and tunnel vision begin at 20 minutes.

Hey @#12 -- I'll leave that out of context just for the 'cussedness' of it

Definitely off topic.
There have been a few off topic posts in this thread, some of them my doing, but they aren't over-running the intended conversation, so I'm ignoring most of them as inconsequential.

Good enough explanations for you?

More like too much information.
You could have picked one of the multiple choice options or just described one real reason for your post.

 

More like too much information.
You could have picked one of the multiple choice options or just described one real reason for your post.

When it comes to information and supporting my views and reasonings for them I'm a unashamed giver.

I'd rather have people be annoyed for my have put forth effort to stand my ground and explained myself than have then claiming something untrue of me for not having supported myself adequately, as seems to be the trend with certain low-road taking types these days in most any topic they can't begin to support themselves in, as you have seen more than enough of now as well.