Yes. People are nice there as well.

We are all up to this part about this connector I found.

Now it's just a matter of how to get to it through the dashboard.

 

through the dashboard.

Ugh...
If I ever have another problem under the dash I may decide to have someone else fix it.
It's always a P.I.T.A. Hidden screws, plastic clips, metal clips, no obvious way to remove anything. Some things you just have to pull on until it feels like it will break (and sometimes it does).
Never wants to go back together the way it came apart. Now clips are broken so it doesn't mount as firmly as before. Now you have squeeks and rattles in the dash. Now you have cracks in the dash because the sun-dried plastic was too brittle to withstand the removal/reinstallation.
I have done this more than once and now I think I am done.

 

It's always a P.I.T.A. Hidden screws, plastic clips, metal clips, no obvious way to remove anything.

This is why I stick with GM vehicles. And buy the Chilton's manual for what ever I'm driving. They are pretty good at telling you where the fasteners are and how to remove. Plus the use of the same components in many of the different car models. Unlike Ford where a small block engine from a Mustang won't fit or work in a truck. Or an engine of the same displacement from one plant can't share components from one made in another. Without changing everything. And no interchange with transmissions either. Pretty sure Mopar products are this way too.

 

Alright. Good news. I got the car running normally now.

Instead of ripping through the dashboard and having rattling parts when I put everything back, I just soldered a new wire between the ignitions switch and starter relay and now the car starts normally without any funky by-passes.

Thanks again to everyone here for their help. I couldn't have been confident about my soldering without you guys!

I hope this helps anyone else out there with a similar problem.

Thanks again!

 

If I'm reading what you said correctly, just be sure to tell anyone who ever dives your car about this. You have now disabled the neutral and park switches in the starting circuit. The car can now be started with the transmission in gear, not a good thing.

 

Yes the park/neutral switch (aka the antitheft) is else-where in the car. It's not between the ignition switch and starter relay. So it should be alright.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll test to see if car does start in gear. With antitheft it shouldn't.

 

Yes we are good to go.

Doesn't start in drive or any of the gears except park/neutral.

Thank you.

No stolen car driving into the mist for me. Hehe.

 

Yes the park/neutral switch (aka the antitheft) is else-where in the car. It's not between the ignition switch and starter relay. So it should be alright.

Wow, I guess Mopar does it different than GM. The starter solenoid wiring should have to go through the neutral/park switch before allowing the starter to turn. Has nothing to do with anti-theft.

 

I could be wrong, But the Wire soldered my guess was one side of the Starter Relay controlled by the Ign Switch. The NS is still in tact because the other side of the Relay is from the PCM and all that happens after the computers do the safety checks. If it fails then the PCM will not send out to complete the Relay latch.

James

 

The starter solenoid wiring should have to go through the neutral/park switch before allowing the starter to turn.

(Post #49 describes a redundant starter lockout circuit.)

I think you mean cars are designed with the start command going through the neutral switch. Whether they should seems a matter of opinion, and mine is different.

I have never in my life seen anybody try to start a car with the transmission in gear. Most people just aren't that stupid, but the nanny switch is installed.

My latest POS Ford has a mechanical lockout so you can't take the car out of Park unless you step on the brake pedal. I am not stupid enough to shift out of Park without my foot on the brake, but the nanny switch is installed. Isn't it enough that you have to pull the shift lever toward you to move it at all? It's not like it's going to fall out of Park because of gravity! This car also has a badly made piece of cast pot metal between the shifter handle and the steering column. If you try to shift out of Park without stepping on the brake, the gear shifter can break off in your hand.

As a person who prefers not to stop working on the car while I crawl out from under it so I can place my foot on the brake pedal, turn on the ignition to power the lock-out solenoid, and then move the shifter, I removed the brake pedal lock-out feature. I also founded The Computerized Car Blasphemy Group. Motto: "Eliminating Dealership Ransomed Features at Every Opportunity". I have removed so many expensive, mostly not working properly, options that I can't remember how many in only a few seconds. The car is getting more convenient to drive as I eliminate nags, alarms that go off in the night, vanity lights that never turn off, interior lights that never come on, etc. Just last week I removed the self dimming feature of the rear view mirror so I can see more than headlights behind me as I look through my factory tinted rear window. I also took out the Compass feature so the car can't report everywhere I've been by storing distance and direction information.

Bottom line: If some person comes to AAC about removing an unnecessary nanny feature, I'm not going to object.

 

I have never in my life seen anybody try to start a car with the transmission in gear. Most people just aren't that stupid, but the nanny switch is installed.

I have. A friend in high school had a late 90's model Saab that apparently belonged to you at one point. More than one "feature" had been removed to make it run.
The Saab was a stick shift, and my friend discovered that he could actually drive the car in 1st gear with its backup electric motor (the starter). He drove a few blocks once with the starter when he ran out of gas.

 

Don't know about just someone removing a Feature from the 90s because it was after that that Standard Shift cars had a NS built in. I have not had a Standard since late 90's everyone of them could start without Clutch pushed in.. It wasn't until early or mid 2000's that changed? My GM, Chevy, Honda, Nissan, Saab, Audi and Fords that were all standard would start. I always remembered to use the Clutch lol.. Guess some people didn't...

 

Well to my detractors, I'll give a link. It is Federal law that both the safety start, and brake to shift from park are law.

The existing starter interlock requirement of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 102 (at S3.1.3) states “the engine starter shall be inoperative when the transmission shift lever is in a forward or reverse drive position.” The purpose of this requirement is to prevent injuries and death from the unexpected motion of a vehicle when the driver starts the vehicle with the transmission inadvertently in a forward or reverse gear. Two recently introduced vehicles, the Toyota Prius [1] and the Honda Start Printed Page 38041Insight [2] , are powered by hybrid/electric systems (the Toyota Hybrid System (THS) and Honda's Idle-stop Technology (IST)) that permit their gasoline engines to stop and restart automatically while the transmission shift lever is in a drive position
From - https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...shift-position-sequence-starter-interlock-and

This was a change from an earlier law to allow new technology. Really don't know when it became law, but every automatic transmission car I've ever owned had one. The oldest was a '56 Buick, I have a '57 Buick behind the barn right now that has it. Stick shift cars didn't have it till around the 80's. Owned a '88 Chevy truck that the clutch needed to be pushed in before the starter would work.

 

Well I guess my dates are off, I haven't ever tried to start my car without the clutch in. I guess my 85 Iroc had a bad Switch. The now X went out to help one day I was running late and thought she would start my car. Turned it over and before she could figure what was going on it had went through our fence before she could turn it off. Was glad it didn't hurt anyone. Not much damage to the car so I fixed and fixed the fence and never thought twice about a switch that was bad. Now days only drive automatic cars.