I was taught that Civilization started with the establishment of agriculture ... which btw, the latest theories state that it was developed by women!

Interesting. It would make sense that very early on in hunter/gatherer societies women would be the ones to experiment with something like that. One thing I dislike about any man/woman claim made today is that any constraints on opposing sexes in early societies would have been due to natural environmental pressures. The constraints today are mostly artificial. The two are often conflated I think.

This all plays great in the drive to the bottom - we are being convinced that equality is somehow women working with men in an oil field and fighting in the army? How is that good for anyone...

Sorry for going off topic

 

I was taught that Civilization started with the establishment of agriculture ... which btw, the latest theories state that it was developed by women!

I can believe that. Chewing hides to make them wearable has got to be no fun at all. It was much more fun than clubbing your enimies to death with a stout wood branch and using stone knives, neither being the weapon of choice for the local apex predators.

 

hi shortbus,
No argument intended, just discussing a difference of opinion with a colleague.
Just wanted to set the record straight

That's what I was trying to do too. The last link is from a company selling and making bronze not an archeological site. It is quoting what is taught in schools based on books printed and reprinted over the years and not updating any of the on going science of human kind. Many things have changed with people looking back at earlier finds and carbon dating, etc.

 

Back when we all lived on the back of the great turtle, our Earth Mother was a critical part of our theology because she was the source of our existence... And we had no idea what civilization meant... I did make a lot of pregnant Earth Mothers out of clay to ensure her happiness with us tho...

 

Back when I taught HS Science I would use my grandfather as an example. He was born just before 1900 to a "wealthy" family who used horse and buggy, had no indoor plumbing, used oil lamps and for that time were considered very wealthy for where they lived. By the time he died at the ripe age of 96 (and smoked cigarettes until the day he died), he enjoyed watching baseball on TV, traveled by Jet transportation, drove a car, man had landed on the moon and computers were becoming a common household commodity. We have no more idea of what is coming than he did...

 

Back when I taught HS Science I would use my grandfather as an example. He was born just before 1900 to a "wealthy" family who used horse and buggy, had no indoor plumbing, used oil lamps and for that time were considered very wealthy for where they lived. By the time he died at the ripe age of 96 (and smoked cigarettes until the day he died), he enjoyed watching baseball on TV, traveled by Jet transportation, drove a car, man had landed on the moon and computers were becoming a common household commodity. We have no more idea of what is coming than he did...

I think the technology trend is somewhat predictable... Saving time to improve productivity for those that make money off of the worker (this one is for Joey). The worrysome trend is increasing disconnect and segmentation. The voluntary silos of thought and the echo chambers of the internet and social (anti-social ?) networks.

We are also headed into the time where "middle class" is worse off than their parents and health of yonger populations is in decline as we work hard to keep geriatrics alive. We might want to reevaluate our priorities as a species

 

Saving time to improve productivity for those that make money off of the worker (this one is for Joey).

First, my workers make money off of me -- not the other way around.

Second, if productivity is sooooo evil, perhaps I should give them spoons?

We are also headed into the time where "middle class" is worse off than their parents and health of yonger populations is in decline...

Huge gov't-guaranteed student loan debts for worthless liberal arts degrees certainly don't help.

...as we work had to keep geriatrics alive. We might want to reevaluate our priorities as a species.

So, a priority ought to be to kill off the geriatrics?

BTW, my priorities are fine. You should check yours.

 

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I wasnt going that far, but that is a splendid idea. Thank you.

 

My associates kept me working for most of my life, Electronics Engineering Technology. You have to pay attention to what you really want to do, and if you will be employable or not w/ your sheepskin.

 

First, my workers make money off of me -- not the other way around.

So why not fire all of them and do all of the work yourself. See how profitable you would be then. I'm sure you would be able to make as many products in a day as those that work for you now.

Feudalism failed for a reason, and hate to burst your bubble but Atlas Shrugged was a novel, not a road map to life.

 

You do realize such a policy would probably take out over half the people on AAC? The other half being students. Not to mention you and most of your friends.

 

Just wait until the population crunch really has drastic effects and there is world wide famine, it will be too late then for most!.
Humans are no longer self sustainable, The days of the hunter gatherer are LONG gone!
Max.,

Looks like the scientists are now saying what I was saying decades ago.

"Now, four decades later, a larger group of scientists is sounding another, much more urgent alarm.
More than 11,000 experts from around the world are calling for a critical addition to the main strategy of dumping fossil fuels for renewable energy:"
Declaring "There needs to be far fewer humans on the planet".
Max.

 

But then the world economy would go all the hell without the trillions of dollars going into the medical care of us old folks!