Lame!

I know you and a few of your buddies(collaborators?) here are against the higher EPA regulations, but the real car guys, the ones that live and breath horsepower aren't. When you are talking about an engine that before the latest regulations made around 250 Hp (350 Chevy) average, to the latest LS1 5.7 (350) making around 350HP and getting better mpg.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_small-block_engine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LS_based_GM_small-block_engine

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2...skoda-seat-emissions-fix-left-car-undriveable

Mysterious rattles, poor fuel consumption, difficulties in starting, low power, weak acceleration. It has emerged that many drivers who have been through the dealer “upgrade” following the Volkswagen scandal are complaining that their once-trusty vehicles are a shadow of their former selves.

So far almost 500,000 of the 1.2m affected VW, Audi, Seat and Skoda diesel cars have been returned as part of the official dealer recall. Most require a simple software upgrade, but some – those with the 1.6 litre diesel engine – have required major work.

With growing numbers of returnees complaining their cars have since suffered serious problems, others are questioning whether they want to take the risk and have the work done too.

Hmm. My post 65 from way back in September 21 2015,

I for one am curious, cant find any definitive info so far but still looking, as to what the actual before and after numbers are for their vehicles relating to their rated HP and fuel efficiency.

At the moment it appears that the before fuel economy was around 5.2 liters per 100 km and the after is around 7 .1 liters per 100 km which in my book is a pretty serious hit on fuel efficiency. Even more so if the actual engine power and vehicle drivability was also similarly affected.

I saw it coming back then! Burn more fuel, get less power and have a crappier vehicle to drive for it.

 

I saw it coming back then! Burn more fuel, get less power and have a crappier vehicle to drive for it.

Yeah, cleanliness has its price

 

I know you and a few of your buddies(collaborators?) here are against the higher EPA regulations, but the real car guys, the ones that live and breath horsepower aren't. When you are talking about an engine that before the latest regulations made around 250 Hp (350 Chevy) average, to the latest LS1 5.7 (350) making around 350HP and getting better mpg.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_small-block_engine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LS_based_GM_small-block_engine

Toolame!
As usual you have no idea about my feeling on the EPA regulations because I've lived in unregulated diesel regions of the world. I have zero issues with the EPA diesel regulations. My problem is that VW lied and cheated when they discovered they needed a additive 'DEF' (instead of just a NOx adsorber-catalyst) like everyone else in the car business to meet the current requirements because it was impossible to design a engine AND emissions system that was compliant without it. IMO the cheat backfired on those that wanted to unwind EPA requirements pass by congress.

 

Yeah, cleanliness has its price

It also has it's place. Putting a restriction on something in a location where it proven to have adverse negative effects is justifiable.

However putting that same restrictions on something in a location where it has zero effect let alone justifications is not. I have no issue with pollution controls where pollution controls are needed. It's the sticking people with stuff like that where it serves no purpose that rubs me the wrong way.

It's also largely why my state has no vehicle active pollution control enforcement for private vehicles. Once a brand new vehicle leaves the dealerships lot a guy can rip out any controls they want and reprogram the computers, if they have the capacity, and my state won't raise an eyebrow over it for the life of the vehicle.

The only pollution control regulations we have are for commercial trucks and heavy vehicles and that's only because we get federal dollars to do it.

As far as where I am concerned send all them VW's up to us. We will happily buy them and drive them without a concern in the world over what VW did.

 

https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~klevchen/diesel-sp17.pdf

 

https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~klevchen/diesel-sp17.pdf

I'm starting to wonder how the new administration and his "growth friendly"/"industry friendly" EPA and Attorney General will follow through on this story...

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...nced-to-40-months-for-emissions-cheating-role

A veteran Volkswagen AG engineer was sentenced to 40 months in prison for his role in helping the German carmaker cheat U.S. emissions tests, the first person prosecuted in one of the biggest scandals in the automotive industry’s history.

James Liang, who pleaded guilty to conspiracy last year, got less than the statutory maximum time in prison recommended because he cooperated with the investigation into the automaker, and prosecutors called his “insider’s perspective” key to understanding how VW deceived regulators and consumers for years.

 

While I haven't made any attempt to follow the case, my gut feel is that this is a reasonable sentence for him. He is an engineer and he had an obligation to practice engineering in an ethical manner. Engineers need to be held accountable when we fail to do so. That his sentence wasn't the maximum due to his later cooperation also seems reasonable -- you need to leave room to further punish engineers that don't cooperate.

But what about the managers and executives? Some of them also should be going to prison and for longer sentences. What is the likelihood of that ever happening?

 

What is the likelihood of that ever happening?

In this case, I think it's highly likely. The only question in my mind is how far up the chain it might go. I think shareholders might also have a civil case against the CEO, unless he can deflect it downstream.

 

In this case, I think it's highly likely. The only question in my mind is how far up the chain it might go. I think shareholders might also have a civil case against the CEO, unless he can deflect it downstream.

Aren't CEOs always responsible for disasters of this magnitude?

 

Aren't CEOs always responsible for disasters of this magnitude?

How many CEOs have spent time in prison for anything their companies did? It is a very rare event. True, if the worldwide outrage is large enough and the company is in China, the CEO might get executed. But when things are big enough for the CEO to be looking at taking a fall, it almost always turns into mammoth fines against the company instead.

 

Aren't CEOs always responsible for disasters of this magnitude?

Never...

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-vw-hearing-20151009-story.html

A top Volkswagen executive on Thursday blamed a handful of rogue software engineers for the company's emissions-test cheating scandal and told outraged lawmakers that it would take years to fix most of the nearly half million vehicles affected in the U.S.

"This was a couple of software engineers who put this in for whatever reason," Michael Horn, VW's U.S. chief executive, told a House subcommittee hearing. "To my understanding, this was not a corporate decision. This was something individuals did."

We rogues are upset at the abuse of our good names.

http://eveningharold.com/tag/rogue-engineers/

And now VW, who find themselves engulfed by emissions test fixing scandals, are suggesting that rogues working as engineers at VW are to blame.

“We just do what they allow us to do,” writes an anonymous rogue in a book that promises to ” lift the lid ” on rogue culture, breaking their strict code of silence.

“Or we just do what everyone else is doing…but with a naughty glint in our eye, and a cheeky smile.”

However rogue community leaders have distanced themselves from the new book, dismissing it as the work of a rogue rogue.

“Emissions? No, this cigar has a catalytic converter.”

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/lega...its-30-bln-after-another-charge-idUSKCN1C4271

HAMBURG/BERLIN (Reuters) - Volkswagen is taking another $3 billion charge to fix diesel engines in the United States, lifting the total bill for its emissions-test cheating scandal to around $30 billion.

The German group is struggling to put the two-year-old “Dieselgate” scandal behind it, and working to transform itself into a maker of mass-market electric cars.

On Thursday, Munich prosecutors said they had arrested a former Porsche management board member, the first top executive within the group to be detained amid a widening probe into cheating at VW’s Audi brand.

 

A VW exec is going to jail for his part in the diesel emmisions cheating scandal. As for myself the Golf and the Jetta are gone. We received about $22k each from VW. Coincidentaly California has raised the state fuel taxes and now diesel is selling at the pump for more than unleaded regular so there's little incentive to having a diesel anyway.

See: https://www.rt.com/newsline/412224-volkswagen-executive-us-jail/

 

now diesel is selling at the pump for more than unleaded regular so there's little incentive to having a diesel anyway.

Been that way for years here.

 

Been that way for years here.

Same here. The new Tier 4 compliant diesel pickups and light/medium commercial vehicles get the same and now often worse MPG numbers in real world use than their gas burners do plus cost more to own, operate and maintain.

Because of that the local schools are now switching to busses that are built around the large gas engines now just to save money on purchase price, fuel and maintenance costs and they are saying the savings numbers in all three categories, especially the last two, are well worth it.

 

VW diesel story continues. It seems the automaker paid universities to do research and gave them money and rigged cars to use. Interesting info on industry supported research.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/...page&action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage

Enjoy!

 

VW diesel story continues. It seems the automaker paid universities to do research and gave them money and rigged cars to use. Interesting info on industry supported research.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/world/europe/volkswagen-diesel-emissions-monkeys.html?action=click&module=In Other News&pgtype=Homepage&action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage

Enjoy!

Chambers, Germans and poisonous gas. What could go wrong.

 

Gas chambers, Germans and poisonous gas. What could go wrong.

Monkeys in to the exhaust chamber...

Spoiler