timed power cut off relay. help

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  1. ameripip3

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    Ok, we have a 110 bell at work with a button to ring it on the front counter. As long as you are pushing it, it rings loud. As you can imagine some people think it's fun to piss you of and keep ringing it. I want to make it where you can only ring it for a moment then have to wait roughly 2 minutes until it will let you ring it again.

    I'm thinking a momentary push button for the first burst then a timed relay of some sort. Can someone help me out please?
     
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    Many ways to skin this cat.

    I have presented the insides of a timer that refuses to let the bell restart for 2 minutes to 5 minutes, but it doesn't limit the first ring and it's designed for 24 VAC. Some of them are designed for 120 VAC. The point is, these things are available as a finished product in your local air conditioning wholesale store.

    Another way is to use an LM555 timer with a lockout circuit during the second part of the timing period. This would involve building a DC power supply.

    Are you looking to assemble something or buy something?
    How good are you at analog design?
     
  3. ameripip3

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    It would be cool to build something for the experience but not needed. If I can buy something for cheap enough the awesome. Just give me a part number if you want, haha. Some days I'm ready to just cut the wires so they can't ring it anymore. Thanks for the reply btw.
     
  4. ameripip3

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    Oh and I'm not very familiar with schematics so that drawing doesn't make any sense to me. Basically you would have to tell me what parts to buy and what order to wire/solder. Thanks
     
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  6. ameripip3

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    Thanks, I was acutely looking at that same part earlier, just didn't know if i needed delay on or off.

    Ok, would a momentary button in front of a delay on relay simular to that switch do the same thing but with a limited first ring?
     
  7. Dodgydave

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    You can use a 555 timer with a one shot pulse , this will ring the bell for say 1 to 2 seconds, then lock out for 5 seconds, even if the push button is held down it will only work once , until the push button is released for 5 seconds.



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  8. Reloadron

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    I don't think what you want here is a delay on or delay off. What I believe you want is a pair of One Shot Relay Timers. The button is pressed and both timers start a timing cycle. The button is wired through the normally closed contacts of Timer 2. Timer 1 closes its normally open contacts powering the bell for a short duration that you set. Pressing the button repeatedly won't do anything until timer 2 times out preventing timer 1 from doing anything. Make for example Timer 1 a three second ring and Timer 2 set for your 1 or 2 min. Essentially Timer 2 locks out the bell and prevents retriggering of Timer 1 till it times out.

    What's the difference between On Delay, Off Delay, Single Shot, Interval On and all these other time delay functions? The link is a good read on the subject. Anyway, my thinking for your application is a pair of "One Shot" relay timers having a SPDT (Single Pole Double Throw) relay output that you configure and timing that you configure. You only need to add a simple pot (resistor) to these things and connecting them is easily done.

    Ron
     
  9. ameripip3

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    Thanks guys, I will let you know what i end up with and how it works.
     
  10. GUlNNESS

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    Hello Ameripip3
    Did you manage to get your project working?
     
  11. Reloadron

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    Been a few years, if you have questions related to the thread topic it would likely be wise just to start another thread and ask.

    Ron
     
  12. GUlNNESS

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    Hello Reloadron
    Fair point
    You wouldn't happen to have a circuit diagram of the solution you gave?
    It looks like exactly what I am after
     
  13. Reloadron

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    What is it exactly you want to do? When we want timing solutions we need to choose a type of timer. One circuit I have suggested is a Two-Stage timer originally found in an old Redio Shack booklet authored by Forrest M. Mims III, here is an example of that circuit:
    Two Stage Timer.gif

    Check the link back in post #9 and determine exactly what you want and need. Then maybe we can come up with a solution, be it me or another member.

    Ron
     
  14. GUlNNESS

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    Hello
    Thank you for your quick response
    The OP is exactly my issue
    Please see attached
    Is this the same as using a 556 ... ?
     
  15. Reloadron

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    Yes, a 556 is merely two 555 timers in a single package. The end result is a two stage timer where the first stage triggers the second stage.

    Ron
     
  16. GUlNNESS

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    Cool!
    I'll breadboard it later
    I'll let you know how I get on
    Thanks
     
  17. Reloadron

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    By all means... :)

    Ron
     
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