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nsaspook

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Like many such servicemen in Japan, he'll likely walk, a bit like catch & release.
BS, you don't know what you are talking about.
No, they won't just walk in Japan. Our 'Status Of Forces' agreement is very strict on who have jurisdiction for crimes.
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/will-the-fun-begin-now.128010/post-1047003
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_forces_agreement
Criminal accusations against off-duty service members are generally considered subject to local jurisdiction, depending on specific provisions of the SOFA. However, details of these provisions can still prompt issues. In Japan, for example, the SOFA includes the requirement that service members are not turned over to the local authorities until they are charged in court.[13] In a number of cases, local officials have complained that this impedes their ability to question suspects and investigate the crime. American officials allege that the Japanese police use coercive interrogation tactics and are concerned more with attaining a high conviction rate than finding "justice".[citation needed] American authorities also note the difference in police investigation powers, as well as the judiciary.[citation needed] No lawyer can be present in investigation discussions in Japan, though a translator is provided, and no mention made of an equivalent to America's Miranda rights.[citation needed] Another issue is the lack of jury trials in Japan, previous to 2009 all trials were decided by a judge or panel of judges. Currently, Japan uses a lay judge system in some criminal trials. For these reasons American authorities insist that service members be tried in military tribunals and reject article 98 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Japan_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
This is exacerbated by the unique nature of Japanese pre-indictment interrogations, which are focused on eliciting a confession as a prerequisite for indictment, are often conducted without a lawyer,[9] and can last as long as 23 days.[10] Given the difference between this interrogation system and the system in the U.S., the U.S. has argued that the extraterritoriality granted its military members under the SOFA is necessary to afford them the same rights that exist under the U.S. criminal justice system. However, since the 1995 Okinawan rape incident, the U.S. has agreed to favorably consider handing over suspects in serious cases such as rape and murder before they have been charged.[11] On 16 January 2017, Japan and the U.S. "signed a supplementary agreement to limit and clarify the definition of the civilian component protected under the Status of Forces Agreement."[12][13] This agreement came after the 2016 rape and murder of an Okinawa woman, allegedly by a civilian contract worker employed at the U.S. Kadena Air Base in Okinawa Prefecture.


His ass will be in a military or/and japanese prison for one hell of a long time if found guilty in either court.
 
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ApacheKid

Joined Jan 12, 2015
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BS, you don't know what you are talking about.
No, they won't just walk in Japan. Our 'Status Of Forces' agreement is very strict on who have jurisdiction for crimes.
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/will-the-fun-begin-now.128010/post-1047003
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_forces_agreement


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Japan_Status_of_Forces_Agreement




His ass will be in a military or/and japanese prison for one hell of a long time if found guilty in either court.
Did you cry "BS"? shameful. Lets look at the facts, and please, no personal insults.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...rnor-wants-more-power-to-prosecute-us-troops/

The current agreement allows the military justice system the right of first refusal for investigating and prosecuting U.S. troops who are suspected of committing off-base crimes in cases where the service member has violated both the Uniform Code of Military Justice and Japanese law.
The term "entitled" springs to mind here, I'm not aware of anything reciprocal on US soil, are you? I would appreciate a boolean answer to this question too.
 
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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Did you cry "BS"? shameful. Lets look at the facts, please no personal insults.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...rnor-wants-more-power-to-prosecute-us-troops/
Yes, it was BS and you don't know the facts.

Stop just looking at the title of something you think supports your IMO uninformed position. The Japanese 'justice' system doesn't have some of the most important and basic protections we give to the most heinous of criminals. Accused criminals have rights too and have a right to be protected from abusive justice. This is not about anyone case, this is about all cases. Our requirement (first refusal) to keep our people under the US system is one of basic human rights and justice.
Lee alleged in his speech that Japanese authorities had manipulated Alkonis’s statement after his arrest, as well as denied him medical care, legal counsel and an interpreter.

“I’m not exaggerating,” he said. “The U.N. Human Rights Council and other legal and human rights organizations have long criticized Japan’s justice system for unnecessarily long pre-indictment detention periods, denial of lawyers during interrogations, and questionable interrogation tactics.”

From his perspective, Lee said, it’s time to renegotiate the status of forces agreement to give more jurisdiction to U.S. authorities, not less.
From a link in your post: https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/10...e-justice-system-japanese-legal-professionals
The "hostage justice" system uses detention beyond its original purpose of securing suspects’ appearance in court and violates the human rights guaranteed by the Constitution of Japan, including physical freedom, the right to remain silent, and the right to a fair trial. The practice to refuse the release of those who deny their crimes can violate the prohibition of torture, as it uses sufferings caused by prolonged detention and interrogation to force confession. It also violates international human rights standards including the presumption of innocence, the prevention of torture, and access to counsel during questioning.

Japanese lawyers have, for a long time, strongly criticized "hostage justice," which does not meet international standards. We once again call for the elimination of Japan’s “hostage justice” and raise our voice with those who share the universal value of human rights.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/06/30/ending-japans-hostage-justice-system
Ending Japan’s ‘Hostage Justice’ System
Government Needs to Act Against Abuses in Pretrial Detention

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/03/19/japan/crime-legal/hostage-justice-renewed-spotlight/
Japan's 'hostage justice system' faces renewed scrutiny
The UK has similar agreements.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ent_Facilitation_SelfDefense_Armed_Forces.pdf
7. Where an accused has been tried in accordance with the provisions of this
Article by the authorities of a Party and has been acquitted, or has been convicted
and is serving, or has served, his or her sentence or has been pardoned, he or she
may not be tried again for the same offence by the authorities of the other Party.
Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent the authorities of the Sending State from
trying a member of the Visiting Force or the Civilian Component for any violation
of rules of discipline arising from an act or omission which constituted an offence
for which he or she was tried by the authorities of the Receiving State.
8. Whenever a member of the Visiting Force or the Civilian Component is
prosecuted under the jurisdiction of the Receiving State, the person shall be
entitled:
(a) to a prompt and speedy trial;
(b) to be informed in advance of the trial of the specific charge or
charges made against the person in order to have reasonable time to prepare
a defence;
(c) to be confronted with the witnesses against the person;
(d) to present evidence in his or her own defence and to have a
compulsory process for obtaining witnesses if the witnesses are within the
jurisdiction of the Receiving State;
(e) to have legal representation of his or her own choice for his or her
defence or to have free or assisted legal representation under the conditions
prevailing in the Receiving State;
(f) to communicate with a representative of the Sending State and,
when the rules of the court permit, to have such a representative present at
his or her trial;
(g) to be present at his or her trial, which shall be public. However,
without prejudice to the minimum standards listed in this paragraph, any
other person may be excluded if the court so decides for reasons of public
order, security or morality;
(h) to bail, subject to the laws and regulations of the Receiving State;
(i) not to be compelled to testify against himself or herself; and
(j) not to be held guilty of a criminal offence on account of any act or
omission which did not constitute a criminal offence under the law of the
Receiving State at the time it was committed.
Those statements are in the agreement because without them UK citizens would be abused in Japan.
 
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cmartinez

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ApacheKid

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This is a great idea. When I was in my twenties and still living in Liverpool, pubs were often blue collar in clientele and very mixed. I'd regularly stop in for a pint or two and see young and old alike, the older folk were always friendly and fun often great conversation and of course there were no cell phones and very few televisions, a duke box at most was the typical thing.

That atmosphere has all but gone and especially in the US where we bars differ from typical British pubs. S o many bars are full of people staring at phones and often have ten televisions showing endless sports, very hard to relax and meet people in these kinds of places.

People talk more too, you'll find lots of politics, history, current affairs, science, movies, and so on, all being talked about openly and mainly politely.

When you get rid of the TVs and loud music people interact far more, chat more readily and get to know one another, that atmosphere is rare in the US and becoming rare in Britain too.

Here's are typical pubs in Liverpool as I remember them, lots of laughs, lots of experienced hard working men and women (especially around the dock areas where I'd meet all sorts of craftsman and former sailors who'd been all over the world).

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The older folk often made the place, been though life, seen it all and of course more knowledgeable and aware than some random 18 year old like me.
 

ApacheKid

Joined Jan 12, 2015
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To begin with, I think terms like “capitalism” and “socialism” have been so evacuated of any substantive meaning that I don’t even like to use them. There’s nothing remotely like capitalism in existence. To the extent there ever was, it had disappeared by the 1920s or ’30s. Every industrial society is one form or another of state capitalism. But we’ll use the term “capitalism,” since that is more or less its present meaning.
Noam Chomsky
Noam Chomsky, a libertarian socialist, applies the term "state capitalism" to the economy of the United States, where large enterprises that are deemed by "the powers that be" as "too big to fail" receive publicly-funded government bailouts that mitigate the firms' assumption of risk and undermine market laws and where private production is largely funded by the state at public expense, but private owners reap the profits.
 
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